brahsworld84

I'm guessing reason we pot on KQ8hh and check fold on JT6hh w bad aces is that our AAxx blocks straight draw equity holding 2 of the outs and on JT there's more open end draws which we don't block outs of?

@4mins. @27mins @48mins.

These are all spots where sean 3bets (who is 3betting to much)  and you call. Flop comes:

634cc, 975ss, 642cc

 He checks, and its on us.

 Thoughts on betting smaller with close to your whole range in these spots? For example @4mins (on 634cc), a lot of the time sean chks this flop his range contains a lot of hands that want to c/f and some that want to cc and cr. I find our bet size otf relatively inelastic relative to seans continuing range. In the exact hand you bet 46% pot otf, but I think you can get away with less and just do it more often with hands in our range. Could be wrong but I think its a good strategy. :).

@ 20 mins .. thoughts on having a small leading range ott?

As far as "blank" turns for our hand but decent for our range, which ones are we cbetting? Any diamond, J, 9, A?

sorry I am late to the party. 

@13 mins... when you went to see how he was doing with QQ what was your reasoning for not including AxKy combos?

What are you doing with AKo here? There arent any benefits I can see why we would choose to 4bet bluff with KQo over AKo or am I missing something?

@16min mark bigfishz folds A6hh to utg raise, and mp caller on the btn. Had mp folded, I think its still close and probably an okay fold online (live im never folding a suited ace on the btn). but with mp calling I think you should really call unless you have some read that blinds are batshit insane and are somehow squeezing over 60%+ :).

Overall you played like a nit and thats okay. But I would have gotten a lot more frisky and you didnt really give yourself many chances to get in marginal spots esp. knowing its going to get reviewed.

"i have no idea what some of these #'s mean but I think he is kind of active" ---hahha agreed. 

As for 77 hand, otr I initially thought...(without listening to your thoughts)

c/f river or bet river >> c/c river >>>> and c/r river. 

The more likely he is to station otr the more likely we should just c/f. But I think we should def. be turning the 77 into a bluff otr a lot of the time and 77 will fit in nicely with our <JJ-KK, Ax, sets, etc> for its blockers to straight and we shouldnt have that many bluffing combos otr. But if you think he is calling a T that much of time (over 50%), I def. think the math would say betting is inferior to c/c but I would estimate as low as 5-25% (big margin lol).

side note:  I think there is a big skill gap between 1/2 and 2/5 in terms of skill level and people are far worse and less aware of what they are doing at this limit. So I think assumptions can vary greatly across those two games where at 2/5 playing closer to a gto style seems much more important. However, I cant say that I am that in touch with these games either. So when I say it would be nice to have a little history, I am hoping to have a somewhat better grasp on frequency of their ability to fold a hand like Tx before I make betting my standard play. 

As you already pointed out, usually when we cr on the river works we had the best hand 90% of time. He is betting to polarized to either having a hand that can snap or we were good anyway and could of saved a lot of $$ by cc. Unless we think he is going to give our cr a ton of credit and fold something pretty strong but in a vacuum thats a lot of assuming.

Also love the crEV analysis but agreed there are to many assuming paramaeters and listening to you say I think he calls Tx 50%+ more of time and thats why you think cc >> betting is more valuable to me then seeing CREV but thats just how I learn at given moment and it is different for everybody. Thanks again for sharing your thoughts.  

Hello brian, Always refreshing to hear your thoughts and excellent video.

@13:30 70bb eff ....UTG raises 3bb, we just flat btn with QQ 

So if you wanted to 3bet 80/call 20. Maybe choose one of the six specific combo of QQ that we arent 3betting? I should prbly start doing this more instead of randomly guessing, :).

Flop comes down 244ss (6bb)

..He bets 5bb, we make it 13.5bb

I like raising too but lets pretend there is no fd on the flop. Despite QQ being an awesome hand to raise on both boards, I feel like our whole strategy probably shouldn't be raising the flop much on 442r in theory to protect our other holdings? Thus, have no raising range ever here? And on 442ss we can have way more value hands/semi bluffs/bluffs and play completely different postflop strategy. 

i think my standard bet on this flop (when I do decide to bet) would be like a $37-39 cbet.  I am not sure how they would react to $25 as compared to $37 and what assumptions I would draw off that so unless you have that route figured out I tend to naturally fall industry standards and cbet around 2/3 pot  for a wide variety of textures with some notable exceptions relating to the elasticity of the board. But I would hardly call cbetting smaller on some board textures 'retarded' as long as you are making note of the potential implications that your line may encourage.

edit: I have not experimented enough with lower sized cbetting in dif. spots but I think its interesting that many people stick close to industry standards on it because you can start leveling yourself to much if you are constantly betting small and do not have a clear idea.

yeah lol. if preflop is considered bad here then I am in trouble (luckily I play deeper, :) ) . Def. think it should be called pf but since its online it makes it a little worse but still fine. fwiw you should probably indicate whether its 9max or 6max.

as played, A+ on analysis. I def. think river should be a mixed strategy of betting and checking. As I think you pointed out you don't need that many bluff combos but should throw in occasional river bluffs and should be more likely to do it against a regular that you will be playing with in the future.

If this was live I would not bluff the river. 

bet/eval.

even with the bloated pot from all the flop callers you can still bet reasonably small in relation to the pot and commit yourselves against the 200 + 240 stacks if they shove turn while not having to autostack off to the deeper btn. i like your sizing of 60 but might bet a tad more say 70 :).

if you look at this hand its hard to criticize you up til the turn. 

flop you can sometimes hope for sd and try to check it down or even find a bet somewhere later if you think you can get him off a small/medium pocket pair. but otf we are really hoping to take it down here. once he calls I am not looking to barrel 100% of the time. 

So before the turn card comes down I plan to barrel cards that give me additional equity, any Ten or higher. With a 9 turn card being better then 8 being better then 3.  I probably am not always betting a 9 but sometimes I will. 

If i do fire on a 3 turn card its usually to 3barrel. However you don't make money in 2/2 by playing like this. You should maybe check flop some % and not be tempted to 3barrel in spots like this. 

flop seems semi-criminal to not have gotten in it. our perceived get it in range otf could include stuff that in theory might actually not, enough so that denying him his equity with his really strong range..

Hand 0: 72.998%   72.55%     { KQo }

Hand 1: 27.002%   26.55%      { AA, JJ-TT, AJs, AJo }

seems like a good plan.

Overbet56....I've played with guy before and that is my random ballpark way of telling you how bad/wide he is limping.

could chk turn if you want to exploit him with some read you may have. think its std to bet, make it 5/6 pot imo.

Tom M seems pretty spot on with his river advice.

Bet small or $x if you think he could perceive this as a thinner vbet and come over top with his value range or perceive it as weak so come over the top.

Bet larger if you think he is a station and want to squeeze that extra value out of his calling range

Bet medium size if you want to standardize the sizing in these spots

when we are talking about limping did we specify? 

lets talk purely live games here ---

1) limping after a limper 

2) open limping from earlier positions

Both have merit and most all great players will have both plays in their arsenal. Failure to say otherwise well I just don't think they are that good if they are never capable of doing the above. or they just havent played enough live for them to think #2 is nvr optimal.

 Choosing what hands you want to play what kind of pot with and not just always blind aggression of forced isos as sometimes you aren't sure if you will get a multiway pot or a hu pot (which usually doesn't happen that often in live).

Once you break this tourney down you are basically playing 200bb cash game for the first hour. With it equivalent to being a tourney deepish. Which is juicy as a cash game player but I got to remember stack off ranges are much different then a cash game.

I didn't know if I should of bet turn but figured 1) its the scoop 2) bad players exist that if I took the line of bet/bet/bet that some stuff that will call me down that probably shouldn't. So from that pure pov, I dont mind it. But given that I don't know how loose online ranges are for stacking off early in tourneys. i think this was and should of been a check ott still. 

As played if you run different river scenarios I think its close. Its like $1100 more and 7.1k behind and if you stove his range of ott and assume I have a ton of implied odds going forward otr I think it could be a call. If I really want to figure it out I need to run a bunch of different outcomes and my set of assumptions to measure whether I can profitably call. Its weird cuz on a few pair boarding rivers I do now beat his KJ combos which could still vbet but still lose to his boats. a fold may be correct. 

call and beat his KQ

WM2K, "min 5 betting [..] vs good to strong opposition who can think things through well its pretty dam retarded imo"

Be careful with this statements friend, :). I was not a fan of min5betting at first but there are some scenarios where it makes sense. If you play zoom at say 2/5, you will see people opening whole range from every position for a minraise, and the game plays fairly aggressive with decently high 3b%'s so the natural adjustment is light 4betting. This specific pot to stack size ratio allows for 5b/c and 5b/f more effectively with your range. And its sometimes a better option then over-shipping as it opens new metagame where people now are going to 6bet light where they otherwise wouldn't have called a shove. Or they are going to call with hands and put themselves in really shitty spots.  In the hand OP posted hero is in a tough spot but if you run this scenario over and over on different runouts our opponent is going to put himself into a ton more marginal spots where he could potentially make some costly mistakes adding to the ev of the play. Now you may say there must be a ton of history for this to exist, but the only way you start this aggressive history is by establishing that it could possibly exist in their minds.

whether to just shove or min5b I have gone back and fourth with what I incorporate into my game. Overall both styles have merit (shoving wide lets you always realize your equity but occasionally get in really bad) and if you want to have min 5b/fold range then naturally you should need to min 5bet wider then AA/KK for value. But that can occasionally get you into tricky spots (i.e. this hand) but that's okay because on the reverse end it can get our opponent into some tricky spots too! In my experience,  our opponents range in this spot consist of hands that are often just being stubborn and want to see a flop but is rarely strong preflop.

On the flop I check back.  Not a board I expect him to go away easily. Sucks when  they will put you on AK and that's what you have. But check and go from there.

preflop--- i prefer 3bet over calling. maybe stylistic but I'd much rather take this pot hu with the lead then multiway oop.
flop--- sure, this is a good hand to lead. check/evaluating also okay too!
turn--- good. CC and CR sometimes have merit but think lead is std.
River--- Not a fan but that's not to say I think it couldn't sometimes work. James Hudson, what % do you think both players are going to fold here (using only info given). He is risking $62 to win $85.

flop cbet is good but I am not trying to go to crazy here. C/f turn and barrel any turn card higher then a 8. Even if I bet the turn as played I'd probably would want to just c/f river.

If flop is Tc2s5s...I dont mind the flop slowplay esp having AsAx.

if its Tc9c2s...I am not trying to slowplay.

I was a bit confused cuz ott it puts the order of the cards differently.

I would be hard pressed to find hands I dont 4bet aces sbvsbb only to fold postflop.

+1 for preflop being pretty iffy here. I def. think playing AA multiway is not ideal.

As played I think this is played well. I am not a fan of vbetting turn here as I think QQ/TT is more likely to make a bad call otr if it goes chk chk bet over those hands calling the turn. And you will have more information with getting to see their actions otr. If river comes a Q and one of them leads out otr I would prob. just muck.

 And even betting river as played is thin, but I probably bet 1300 otr and wouldn't be surprised to see QQ make a bad call (which is best thing we can hope for). 

Someone in this hand is wayyy out of line lol. And its not you cuz you have AA, ldo.

Board: 6h 4d 7d Qs

 Hand 0: 77.273%           { 66 }

Hand 1: 22.727%         { Ad8d }

Lets just say worst case scenario we bet turn $15 and he shoves and its $24 more to win a final pot of 100, so we need 24% to call and we have 22.8% against a set. So the EV of calling when he has a set is - 1.2%*100bb= -1.2BB in EV or -.60c. Which isnt that bad considering worst case scenario! So things betting the turn has going for it... 1) He wont always shove turn! 2) Leaves our options open otr 3) keeps it more simple....we do not relinquish control and have to guess about his range (i.e. thinking about what hands he will check back vs bet ott) 4) good for our overall range considerations  

I do not like check/shipping because he is rarely betting something that he is ever folding over taking the free turn so our fold equity is very limited. I do not like bet/folding because that just feels so theoretically flawed and the line I most want to avoid with this hand.  

ship it on his ass. aka all in. 

why-- im not folding this. if he checks turn im doing a happy dance and think of the best sizing to get the money/stacks in. since he bet himself I dont consider folding this for a second and I am all in!

what you can learn from this hand is fixing your sizing.

1.) 3bet bigger preflop. ---ESPECIALLY being deep and OOP. 

2.) As played with the flop check, bet the turn bigger. 

Do this with your whole range and dont just think in the framework of you having AA.

Also note that when you flop top set and decide to check there is a big difference between A72r and ATxr, the former is as dry as it gets the latter allows broadways (JQ/KQ) to hit random nut straights and more straight possibilities to arrive on turn cards if it gets checked thru. 

its kind of nasty as played. but whether you should fold/call river, you  may get different responses but imo it doesn't matter what you do.

Dont mind cbetting. Dont mind checking/giving up. Dont mind delay cbetting. I think all 3 have merit and are all reasonably close with delayed cbetting being the one I'd use with the least frequency.

The argument that this is better then 22 is valid. Besides turning a lot of barrel cards that give us additional equity with a disguised straight draw, when we hit a Queen or Jack we now beat all mid pp's and non Kx pairs. I think people will play pretty fit or fold at 100nl, he just flatted btn and didnt 3bet, and dont think its a slam dunk cbet but slightly better then giving up.

Its a good spot to examine and a good question to ask --- should we be cbetting 100% of our range? No. Is QJo better then 22/33? yes.

Would use slightly bigger bet sizing as my standard but whatevs.

From my perspective, I am scratching my head when he shoves this river. I dont know if he expects me to call or fold but from a hand reading perspective there's not that many hands that he should have, A7? Set? 

 I call due to curiosity. And I fold it against people where this any indication that its not likely a bluff. I sometimes regret calling in this spot, but I still do and it should vary greatly across opponents. Against some you are lighting money on fire by calling and others are just spazzy donks that are clicking buttons :).