iHatePLO
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Thanks! Yea I figured out that I was opening way to wide in EP/MP so I've cut back on that.
Think he showed up with JJ so yea just a cooler but I think it goes back to preflop and setting myself up for easy profitable post flop decisions and opening that hand UTG does not do so.
Figured out the hand posting thing so thanks.
Nov. 3, 2016 | 5:28 p.m.
BN: $10.14
SB: $10.27
BB: $19.29 (Hero)
UTG: $5.14
Nov. 3, 2016 | 5:24 p.m.
I'm going to assume that because of the sites he listed he's an American so options are limited
Oct. 20, 2016 | 6:22 p.m.
Hi all, I've dabbled in PLO in the past but never really took it serious. Now I'm starting to take it serious and wanting to learn more about the game. I keep getting into spots where I'm honestly just not sure what to do and this is one of them.
My sample size on these players is limited but I'm fairly confident in my read about SB being weak tight. So when he takes the c/c, bet, bet line I'm kinda lost. I feel like his value range has my hand crushed and while we have FH I feel like it's pretty much a bluff catcher at this point.
My main question is do we call river but input on other streets is welcomed. Thanks
IPoker, $0.05/$0.10 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.
SB: $9.65 (96.5 bb) - Weak tight, passive post
BB: $3 (30 bb)
Hero (UTG): $25.60 (256 bb) - PLO Noob (Me)
MP: $9.48 (94.8 bb)
CO: $3.90 (39 bb)
BTN: $14.89 (148.9 bb) - Whale, playing 90% of hands but not really relevant
Preflop: Hero is UTG with Td Ah 9c Jd
Hero raises to $0.35, 2 folds, BTN calls $0.35, SB calls $0.30, BB folds
Flop: ($1.15) 7s Js 9h (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.70, BTN folds, SB calls $0.70
Turn: ($2.55) 9s (2 players)
SB bets $2.55, Hero calls $2.55
River: ($7.65) 7h (2 players)
SB bets $6.05, Hero ?
PS...how do I get the hands to show up like I see in other threads? I just posted original text hand history from HM.
Oct. 20, 2016 | 5:45 p.m.
Really liking this video and how you break down spots with the HMR/ICMizer. Looking forward to part 2
Jan. 26, 2015 | 11:51 p.m.
Delayed cbe't are quite common now. Just because someone checks flop doesn't mean they are weak.
By your own description V is, and I quote you, " good LAGgy, agro postflop, midstakes reg here". Now if that description is correct I'm just having a hard time thinking he's going to c/f an Ace high flop after raising in EP. I know I've said that many times but I think it's very important to remember. Honestly alarm bells should be going off when he checks this flop.
As far as the SB raising stronger Aces I tend to agree but he's not raising with A5, A3 and those now have 2 pair. Not to mention he can have 33, 55, A2, A4, Ax, 24, all which beat 99.
Jan. 23, 2015 | 3:16 p.m.
I'm not saying he has the nuts when he c/r's but I think there is a good chance he can beat 99.
Again I keep going back to this...
good LAGgy, agro postflop, midstakes reg here?
Maybe I'm being missing something but I just don't see a V with the description you gave above raising in EP and then just c/f on an A high flop. They may do it on rare occasion but I think he is going to put you in the cage a lot of times.
When you bet the flop...do you know why you were betting or did you just bet because he checked to you and you have 99?
Did you bet as a bluff? What hands are you trying to get to fold if so?
Did you bet for value? What hands are calling that are worse?
I try to make my decisions as easy as possible at the table and to do so I'd start with checking back on the flop.
Jan. 22, 2015 | 6:27 p.m.
Does his OOP 3b flatting range have a lot of 7's in it? (With your sizing it may because you made it so small)
If he had AK would he 4b? QQ? AQ?
If he had AQ is he going to check flop and turn?
At first I wanted to call but now I'm not sure. If we call I think we are behind or chopping. I almost never expect to be good here unless he is turning Qx or something like KJdd into a bluff. When we call and chop we have around $900k. If we call and lose we have $400k. If we fold we have $700k. I think my decision would be player dependent but I'm kind of leaning towards folding against an unknown. I would have to have some history or stats on V to think he is turning his hand into a bluff for me to want to call.
What is the reason for not cb'ing?
Why 3b so small? I don't think he's ever folding unless he has complete air.
Jan. 22, 2015 | 4:44 a.m.
I'd like to see some new hats and hoodies/jackets.
Jan. 21, 2015 | 11:43 p.m.
I have an $11 10kgtd I took down last week on Merge if you're interested.
Jan. 21, 2015 | 10:36 p.m.
A lag could really have anything from air to a set to a straight here. Do you think a good laggy post flop mid stakes reg raises UTG+1 and just gives up on an Ace high flop?
SB can easily have connected with this flop and I still don't think UTG+1 is just going to give up here so I'm checking behind.
Jan. 21, 2015 | 8:03 p.m.
Great post Doug. BB defending is definitely something I'm going to have to work on and implement into my game. Really am a fan of this
I think there are actually a lot of spots at many different stack
sizes in many different positions where never 3betting is going to be
a very effective strategy and tough to play against,
Honestly I think that is a great out side of the box way to think and it's going to give me something to work on and think about for sure.
Would definitely be interested to see some more hands where you (or others) defend out of the BB with varying stack sizes and take different post flops lines.
Jan. 21, 2015 | 7:09 p.m.
Really enjoyed this series. Two questions.
Why the fold with the KTdd later in this video? That seems kind nitty?
Any chance we can get that hud file for pt4? I really like the layout and colors of it.
Jan. 21, 2015 | 6:58 p.m.
Title says it all. Looking to maybe get with one or a few of you and trade a hand history of a deeper run in a tournament and do a review for each other. Looking for someone that will make a video as that is what I would do in return.
I play on US sites and play $5 - $30 tournaments. Please be a winning player and play similar stakes as myself. Losing micro player's aren't who I'm looking to partner up with.
Ideally we will grow together and can help each other out on the way. Not really looking for someone that wants to do one HH review and be done, although if that's all you're interested in and just want to do one HH that's fine with me.
Shoot me a PM or drop in here if you're interested. Thanks
Jan. 21, 2015 | 5:14 p.m.
I have a few questions about defending as it's something that I haven't implemented into my game.
- Are you defending wide from any position open or just late position?
- Multi way pots or just HU?
- If we are defending we aren't just looking to hit a flop, we are looking for spots to take away the pot post flop..right?
The more I think about it I kind of like having a wide flatting range because it still keeps them guessing and we can disguise the strength of our hand. It could also be a good spot to flat with the stronger hands to keep the dominated hands in that would have folded to a 3b/shove.
I agree if we take that line of c/c, b, b he would have to have at least Qx to call and he may even fold a Qx. Could also be suicide as he could be setting a trap but it's a risk I'd be willing to take.
Good thread so far.
Jan. 21, 2015 | 4:56 p.m.
'Merica!!!!!!
Jan. 21, 2015 | 4:40 p.m.
I guess I'm just a nit in the blinds. Yes I know we are getting great odds, have an ace, yada yada yada but we are OOP, with a weak ace and only have 20bbs so there isn't a ton of post flop play to be had with our stack size. We are going to miss the flop a lot and then basically are playing chicken with the biggest stack at the table. With 20bbs left I'm ok with just folding and waiting for a better spot in position. I don't think calling is bad but I just try and play the least OOP as possible. Maybe thats wrong and I should start defending? What kind of range are you defending with?
I'm not a believer that when he checks back turn he is weak/has air. Why wouldn't he check Qx behind? What is he gonna get three streets of value from? If I'm V in this hand I check back turn with Qx, 4x, KK+ just so I look weak and hope you either bet river for value with worse or bluff river. So now you lead river for 4bbs with 13 left and I just ship on you and make your life miserable.
I'm really not sure what else to call it besides standard. Maybe common? I see it everyday...someone raises pre, cbet flop, give up on turn, V leads river and takes down the pot. I've been doing that for years and think a lot of other are doing it as well. So my counter adjustment is to check back turn with made hands and let them bluff river/value with worse. I don't do this play all the time but I do it with some frequency against the right people.
I like the c/c, lead, ship line because I think it looks really strong and we may be able to get him to fold some one pair hands.
I also shove pre against certain V's but it is really V dependent for me.
Jan. 21, 2015 | 4:12 a.m.
I hope this is the right place to post this and I'm sorry if it has already been discussed.
Does anyone have a general idea of what is fair for coaching for profit? I'm a winning player looking to take on a coach and was offered a coaching deal where I would pay a small flat monthly rate and give a % of my profits in return. I'm currently a profitable player that mostly plays $5 to $30 MTT's on American sites.
What % is fair for both parties?
What kind of hours should I expect per month of coaching?
Would I be better off looking for a staking deal that offers coaching with it?
Should live events be included?
I've never done this and think it can see that it may have some benefits but wanted to get some other opinions if any of you guys have some experiences in these types of deals.
Thanks in advance
Jan. 20, 2015 | 7:13 p.m.
Only reason I may pass on this shove is because it's a soft final table. Therefore we should have an edge over the field and while we are lower on chips if we really have an edge we should be able to find a better spot. I don't think this spot is terrible but I think we can do better.
One of the problems is that a decent % of his calling range has us dominated/crushed. I can't think of anything that he calls with where we are a head equity wise. At best he calls with PP and we flip.
Jan. 20, 2015 | 6:53 p.m.
Depends on what you want really.
Want a good MTT schedule with the ability to keep stats on opponents try Carbon.
Want a shitty MTT schedule, cash games filled with reg's, rakeback, and severe disconnect issues try WPN.
Want an ok MTT schedule, cash games with terrible players, and anonymous players try Bovada.
Perhaps split the roll and deposit on 2 or 3 sites?
Jan. 20, 2015 | 5:15 p.m.
I am a good player, not perfect but I should beat the field easily. I
see so many too aggro or weak plays. They make bad calls vs me and
that costs me also EV.
You need to be humble. Don't blame other players. Yes you lost the JJ vs KQ hand but had you not been down to 13bbs maybe you wouldn't have been in that situation. Perhaps you made some mistakes earlier in the tournament that made you short....Maybe you nitted it up waiting for good hands and got blinded away. I don't know what happened but I'd be willing to be you didn't play perfectly. Instead of focusing on the results of one hand, focus on poker as a whole and what you can do to improve. I don't say this to put you down so please don't take offense.
I've already said it but stop blaming other players for making bad calls. I get excited when someone makes a bad call against me (the JJvsKQ hand doesn't sound like a bad call) because I know in the long run it makes me money. Sure it sucks when you play for hours upon hours only to get your money in good and some guy hit a 3 outer on you but that is part of the game and if you can't accept that you shouldn't be playing seriously. If you can't handle the variance perhaps give cash games a try?
Jan. 20, 2015 | 5:09 p.m.
Fold pre..
As played I call his raise and check the turn to him. I'm not a fan of shoving because I think we are basically turning our hand into a bluff. The only 1pr hand that can really call a shove is AK and unless I know he flats AK pre I'm taking AK out of his range. I'm also excluding KK and QQ unless I know he flats those. Basically I feel we are way behind his 88-KQ, tied with his TJcc,AQcc and beat everything else.
I probably just go into c/c mode and call him down.
Jan. 20, 2015 | 4:57 p.m.
With 20bbs I'm not a fan of defending A6o honestly. If we are deep sure but with 20bbs I think it's optimistic at best.
Don't really care for anything about this line as it's the standard float the flop cbet and lead river when they check back turn. I've seen that many times and will check back turn with made hands just to get them to bluff it off on the river. Just because he checked back turn doesn't mean he's giving up or has nothing.
I actually like calling river and leading turn and shipping river. Then you actually put him in a tough spot.
If he was shorter and we had stats that said he opens the CO a lot and can fold to 3b's I like shipping it pre but he has 100bb's and I don't know anything about him so I'm not sure if that is good or not.
Jan. 20, 2015 | 3:58 a.m.
This is my first video I've watched here and I think the part where you raised all of your chips but 1bb (think you had A5dd) to stall out on the pay jump was brilliant. Looking forward to the rest of the series.
Thank you for this info. I wrote down the advice on a sticky note and now have it on my monitor. Seems like excellent advice!
Nov. 3, 2016 | 5:29 p.m.