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crazyravioli

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Degnovic: Can't really c/f river with 1:4 pot odds
Skyzoph: Agree with everything you said in 1st part of the post. However in the hand as played, I think the EV of a turn shove (overbet) is far superior to the EV of the turn small bet because we get him to realize a lot of equity for cheap (he has actually correct pot odds to call with all his range and can fold his airballs on the river)


Here are my calculations feel free to point out any mistakes i would have made

Here is my input in flopzilla on the turn.  http://i.imgur.com/M09orZF.png

The cards on the right describe how our equity will vary on the river depending on river card. 


When we overbet shove the turn Vilain folds 17.1% of his range (airballs) and calls the rest (any pair, OESD, gutshot + over...)

evOverbet = (17.1 / 100 * 26354) + (82.9 / 100 * (83840 * 63.05/100) - 36.95 / 100 * 40325)

evOverbet = 45605.534 + 0.829 * (528621.12 - 14900.0875)

evOverbet =  0.829 * 513721.0325 + 45605.534

evOverbet = 425874.7


Our play on turn:

Vilain has 33.75% equity and hero is gonna shove any river.

When we bet small here vilain calls 100% and only folds busteds draw on the river

evGayBet = -0.3375 * 64889 + 0.6625 * (235/346 * 46108 + 111/346 * 83840)        

                = -21900.0375 + 0.6625 * (31316.12716763006 + 26896.6473)         

=  16665.92565028902

Even vs the specific hand vilain had which has 18.18% equity turn:

evGaybetVsQ9o = -18.18 * 64889 + 47268.77286771561      = 35741


I think betting bigger flop yields more chips on average since it can induce a 8x / 7x shove (board does not hit a lot our perceived range and vilain can be afraid of overcards on other street) and he is going go call the turn anyways with any piece of the board given the 1:2 pot odds and it becomes way harder for him to realise his equity for a good price

Aug. 6, 2013 | 3:07 p.m.

Here is the hand: http://www.boomplayer.com/poker-hands/Boom/4291104_F11C35F6D3 (can't find HH any more sorry)

Vilain is playing 43/9 I think pre-sizing is fine.

I Cbet 1/3 pot as a standard and felt like overbetting turn would be weird so I bet the turn for value vs all his gutters, double gutters, pair + draw etc and shove any river.

Problem with this line is that he realizes his equity lots of times and the stack to pot ratio looks really awkward river.

I was thinking of cbetting flop stronger to get it in on any turn with a potsize bet left instead. Maybe I don't miss as much value as I think when I give him 1:2 to call turn?



Thoughts on best line to valuebet the shit out of this guy?

Aug. 5, 2013 | 6:54 p.m.

Action at regulars is kinda dead. Still some volume in turbos and you can sit some weak regs too, but most of the action is at hypers which yield far better $/hr, even though they are reggish and you can't get a lobby on stars at 60+ if you don't have auto registration program to queue in the game (17 people queues sometimes). You can still sit weak regs though and there is some money to be made even at 30s (you can have 1$+ per game in these and they end in like 2.3mns avg). You generate lots of rake so SNE is doable too.

Start playing low stakes to grasp the dynamics of the game and the fundamentals. Some very good players like MTT / cash regs lose tons of money in husngs because they are not used to the different tricky stack sizes etc. You can still use aggro BRM though

100 BI is recommended for hypers but you can do something like 35/50 as long as you move down at 35 BI. Good way to climb the stakes until 30s. I think more buyins are needed at 200$+ than 100.

HEM is fine (filter your stats by position and stack sizes like 30+bb 18-25 13-17 etc on the hud btw), sharkscope subscription, nash charts for push fold   at 10bb or less (even though you can still limp / minraise). ICMIZER definitely good for computing 3bet shoving ranges versus a certain minraise range which will be profitable, calling openshove range etc. Really great tool


No ICM in HUSNGS, only chipEV! The goal is to maximize your bb/100.

Dont know about runitonce videos but there's plenty of free content in the 2+2husng forum or you can just google husng and will find a bunch of ebooks / videos etc.


HUSNGS are a fun game and can be really profitable. would deffo suscribe to runitonce if there was some HUSNG content!

Cheers


May 24, 2013 | 6:36 p.m.

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