almasya
5 points
Equity range vs range.
Based on the GTO frequencies we can build a calling range and is now based on it build a range of bet - to which equity should seek?
On the basis of calculations in CREV (equilibrium solver) I noticed the following
OTF and OTT cb range vs calling range
1. Bet OOP 50-70% psb Eq 50%
2. Bet IP 50-70% psb Eq 45-48%
3. Bet OOP 150-200% psb Eq 40%
4. Bet IP 150-200% psb Eq 35-40%
OTR are the same (OOP=IP if push)?
Knowledge of the equity is important for the manual construction of ranges such as in flopzilla.
Are my conclusions are correct? Is there a mathematical solution?
Aug. 22, 2016 | 8:24 a.m.
If we are IP, and we both have a fairly wide range (BvB) I would raise some 9x hands and balancing is the right amount of bluff A3+BFD, JTs+BFD. And call with FD , but the supervisory villain can begin bet-call the flop and donk 3flesh turn, push the river, then you need to add a certain amount of flush draw on the flop raising range, and I would add some Ax FD with which we can easily push on the flop 3b and the barrel (or not to SdV) later.
Nov. 16, 2015 | 7:30 a.m.
88+, AQo+,ATs+,KQs,QJs
July 26, 2015 | 9:50 a.m.
I agree with you, but PSn advises defend turn through raising AK-AT without FD !!!
I'm trying to understand whether there is in this sense.
April 17, 2015 | 11:58 a.m.
Sorry for my English.
nl200 6max
MP: $200.00
BN: $200.00
Preflop
($3.00)
MP raises to $5.00, BN calls $5.00
Flop
($13.00) Ah 9c 3d
MP bets $7.00, BN calls $7.00
Turn
($27.00) Ah 9c 3d 8d
MP bets $18.00, BN ?
experts:
1.) (PSn) PokerSnowie
2.) (MJ) Janda (Apl NLH & videos)
referees:
1.) CREV
2.) You guys
Preflop
Play here similar to MJ (2)
MP pfr AA-22,AKs-A2s,KQs-K9s,QJs-QTs,JTs-J9s,T9s,98s,87s,76s,65s,AKo-ATo,KQo (18%)
BN call JJ-22,AQs-ATs,KQs-KJs,QJs,JTs,T9s,98s,87s,76s,65s,54s,AKo-AQo (10.3%)
Flop
Play here similar to PSn (1)
MP cb $7.00
http://gyazo.com/d9cd431afb775206218dbc246faac3c7
99(3), 33(3), AQ(12), AK(12), A3s(2), A9s(2), AcJc, AdJd, 44(6)
50%[89,T9,J9,K9] cc dd;
30%[56,67,87] cc dd;
[JT,QT,QJ,KT,KJ,KQ] cc dd
= 66 (34%)
BN call $7.00
http://gyazo.com/1b74bf55939c37e030d828105bb6ace8
99(3), 33(3), AQ(12), AK(12), AJs(3), ATs(3), TT(6), JJ(6), JTs(4), T9s(3), 87s(3), 54s(3) = 61 (51%)
Turn
MP bet $18.00 Play here similar to PSn (1)
http://gyazo.com/02cf88117baeda3a1adf6c13759e5cfe
99(1) A3s(2), A9s(2), 8h9h, 90%[AJ-AK]dd, 10%[AK,AQ], hc+fd, oesd =23 (34%)
BN ? - here serious disagreements among experts
PSn advises defend through raising (59/7.5)
http://gyazo.com/e345386977ba2deabaa374c2097596b1
MJ advises defend through calling and sometimes raising (18/51)
http://gyazo.com/4f45a85a3975ec65437365ef6fb4c2cd
Today I'm closer to option MJ and CREV (1) referee confirmed my opinion.
http://gyazo.com/293a9a47d457ee7565a11088e1a3b303
Whether it is necessary to add to the range of raising hands, which are good bluff catchers? or do we want to knock a lot of draw after the turn of the polar range?
What do you think guys?
P/S
I could lay out a full analysis CREV but do not know how to insert it here, If I import it as text then it is not exported correctly in CREV
April 17, 2015 | 9:06 a.m.
I do not know how to insert text block contains a savefile for CardRunnersEV?
I get that check QQ profitable bet-fold, and it is better to polarize range the river bet.
March 24, 2015 | 8:37 p.m.
- BB has little hands to check-call the river. But has a lot of weak pairs that can transform into a bluff on the river (K to turn a good card for 2barrel - bb call). Yes, he does not have many strong hands for balance bluff check-raise but ...
- If the hero bet QQ (JJ+), what he does with gutshots A3/A4/97s/96s OTR (fd he did not 3barrel - bad blocker) => с-bet river is too high and hero opens himself wide check-raise (1).
Maybe with QQ it makes sense or check-back or bet-call to punish unbalanced check-raise.
March 20, 2015 | 6:57 p.m.
"Villain can have a bunch of better hands than KK in his hand, which makes KK still too thin to v-bet." I agree with you, and Villain has not a lot of worse hands than KK - this confirms the analysis CREV. I think a villain called the turn not from a great mind and a desire to catch a bluff did not improve on the river (fold to not 6 or A river) and then the call turn was clearly not at odds. And if so it can be removed A6 from his river range, so I thought during the game and then push not as thin.
March 19, 2015 | 4:39 p.m.
It´s hard to imagine...
Hero bluff range on the river after this action - 78s(bdfd flop), 55, 77, 88, TT converted into a river bluff.
Villain shows A6s :-(
March 18, 2015 | 6:08 p.m.
Preflop played by the dynamics (fold to 4b 60%) .On 336r flop min raise I think is very suspicious, and possibly trigger 3bet bluff and call on all pairs.
I think the average reg Z100 will not bluff catch turn with Ax on a board like this, my small sizing can trigger rebluff his air on flop or turn.
I think 1)"he thinks you would bluff this card often" 2)if the villain had an overpair on the turn, he will not fold on river, because he understands "Ace OTR is probably a blank for both ranges after this action."
It seemed to me that easy push river, and as shown by the analysis in CREV - very marginally. If villain call JJ+ =>push, if QQ+ =>check.
Perhaps, as I noticed only then, WoonSD=60% (sample 300 hands) had to persuade me to check river.
March 18, 2015 | 5:59 p.m.
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March 18, 2015 | 8:31 a.m.
Zoom 100
Villain reg, 3b BB vs CO 10%
Button
SB
BB 196 BB
UTG
MP
Hero (CO) 140 BB
SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB
Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Kc Kh
fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.5 BB, 2 folds, BB raises to 11 BB, Hero calls 8.5 BB
Flop : (22.5 BB, 2 players) 3h 3d 6s
BB bets 10 BB, Hero raises to 22 BB, BB calls 12 BB
Turn : (66.5 BB, 2 players) 9h
BB checks, Hero bets 31.5 BB, BB calls 31.5 BB
River : (129.5 BB, 2 players) As
BB checks, Hero bets 77.5 BB, BB calls 77.5 BB
During the game, it seemed to me that easy push river, and as shown by the analysis in CREV - very marginally (small changes in preflop 3b range or river calling range).
What is your opinion about this river play?
3b range AA-TT,AKs-A2s,KQs-KJs,QJs,AKo, 50% [77-66,KTs,QTs,JTs] like this
http://www.pokersnowie.com/pftapp/index.html#facing_raise
March 18, 2015 | 8:26 a.m.
"When we bet the river in position, it reopens the betting and gives our opponent the opportunity to check-raise with balanced range of value hands and bluffs. And when he does this, both calling and folding with most of the hands in our range will have an expected value of zero meaning we’ll have effectively lost the hand. So notice that by bet-folding the river in position, we’llnot only lose our bet to hands which beat us, but our bet and thepot will also effectively be lost to hands which our opponentbluffs in a balanced check-raising range... that in order for in position value betting
to be superior to checking, our opponent must call with the losing
hand frequently enough to overcome the fact that we’ll sometimes
fold the best hand to our opponent’s check-raise bluffs." p335 APL NLH
Betting and calling would make sense if villain is unbalanced and overly bluffs x/R river or overly call with the losing hand .
"BTN is one of the top 5 biggest winning regs" could think of this - "nl400 it's the players understand the need to be aggressive, but not mature enough to balance. I am betting and calling, i want to bluff catch."
Feb. 23, 2015 | 12:32 p.m.
It would be interesting to see how you got with CREV "Checking is better than betting by roughly 4.5-6bbs on the Jc river and betting ~2/3 PSB or $1,200 seems to maximize EV on the 3d river" (export the file and make available here)
Feb. 16, 2015 | 7:01 a.m.
Bingo!
I think I found the answer to my question here.
Suppose our bet will always be the size of the 0.75 pot and opponent can only call or fold.
When we bet the river, our opponent is getting offered 7-to-3 odds to call our bet, and this requires us to bluff 30% time.
Now you need to figure out what the value bet on the river.
“…it’s always more profitable to jam than check as long as we win over half the time when called.” Janda p.331
As we add balanced bluffs? Only for strong (how?) hands add 3 bluff to 7 value bet, and the weak value bet add without bluffs. Or our bet range should have 66% Eq versus range of the opponent (of the river or call river bet)?
For example Jh 7c 4d 2h 3c
http://www.runitonce.com/nlhe/help-me-plan-my-range-vs-range-strategy/
That's what I understood from the above explanation.
Correct please, if you see an error.
How we design KK-JJ,77,44,(A2-A5,AT):xx =33 …
QQ - the weakest value hand in the range UTG bet river, which is Eq> 50% against the calling range BB
range of BB is
9 combos of better hands (44,77,JJ)
6 combos of AJ that fold
6 combos of AJ that call
5 combos of KJs-QJs that call.
9 combos JTs,TT that fold.
QJ - weakest hand in the calling range BB. It is obvious that QJ weaker any vbet river UTG (from QQ to A5s), therefore, we need to add bluffs for all hands (3 bluffs to 7 value bets)
Dec. 31, 2014 | 6:51 p.m.
I think I found the answer to my question here ...
http://www.runitonce.com/nlhe/bluff-combos-on-river-when-our-value-bet/
Dec. 29, 2014 | 8:55 p.m.
Suppose our bet will always be the size of the 0.75 pot and opponent can only call or fold.
When we bet the river, our opponent is getting offered 7-to-3 odds to call our bet, and this requires us to bluff 30% time.
Now you need to figure out what the value bet on the river.
“…it’s always more profitable to jam than check as long as we win over half the time when called.” Janda p.331
As we add balanced bluffs? Only for strong (how?) hands add 3 bluff to 7 value bet, and the weak value bet add without bluffs. Or our bet range should have 66% Eq versus range of the opponent (of the river or call river bet)?
For example Jh 7c 4d 2h 3c
http://www.runitonce.com/nlhe/help-me-plan-my-range-vs-range-strategy/
how we design KK-JJ,77,44,(A2-A5,AT):xx =33
Bluffs (A2-A4,AT):xx =12 combos
Dec. 28, 2014 | 12:05 p.m.
I would like to understand what preflop strategy closer to the GTO for today or proposed in Applications of No-Limit Hold'em by Matthew Janda or Preflop Advisor - PokerSnowie.
For example, let's take the SB against steal CO.
Janda flat call =5.6% (TT-88, AQo-AJo, KQo, AJs-ATs, KQs-KJs, QJs)
3bet=8.0% (AA-JJ, 55-44, AKo, AKs-AQs, KTs, QTs, JTs-J9s, T9s-T8s, 98s-97s, 87s, 76s, 65s, 54s)
Perhaps the time of writing the book the game has changed and in a recent article “Add more aggression to your game” Janda offers smaller call and more 3bet.
Preflop Advisor - PokerSnowie offers linear 3bet and refuses to call.
Dec. 23, 2014 | 8:52 p.m.
In books and vods analyzed examples of balancing c-bet and calling ranges. I would like to parse an example of balancing defended of Cbet and check-raise ranges. I got something like that, but a lot of doubt about those or other hands BB vs MP.
BB cold calling range vs MP: JJ-22,AQo,AQs-ATs,KQs-KJs,QJs,JTs,T9s,98s,87s
Flop: AhTc7c
Total combos: 96
Desired combos defended: 96*60=59
Value check-raises: TT(3) 77(3) ATs(2) KQсс QJсс KJсc 89сс =12
Bluff check-raises: KQs(3) QJs(3) KJs(3) 9c9(3) 8c8x(3) 87s(3) =18
Calls: AQ(12) AJs(3) JJ(6) JTs(3) T9s(3) 89s(3) =30
Total combos defended: 58
Desired combos defended of chek-raises: 12
TT(3) 77(3) ATs(2) KQсс QJсс KJсc 89сс 89hh =13
MP opening range: AA-22,AKo-ATo,KQo,AKs-A2s,KQs-KTs,QJs-QTs,JTs-J9s,T9s-T8s,98s-97s,87s,76s,65s
Flop: AhTc7c
Total combos: 197
Value betting range: AA(3) TT(3) 77(3) AT(9) A7s(2) AK(12) AcQx(3) AxQc(2) AQcc AcJx(3) AxJc(2) AJcc =44
Draw betting range: KQ(16) KJs(4) QJs(4) J9s(4) 89s(4) =32
Bluffing range: 76s(3) 56hh 78s(3) 79s(3) 8c8(3) 9c9(3) = 16
Total combos bet : 82
Flop Cbet percent: 42%
Desired combos defended of Cbet: 41
Cbet-3bet: TT(3) 77(3) QJhh KQhh KJhh 76hh 78hh 79hh=12
Cbet-calls: AA(3) 89s(4) AT(9) A7s(2) AK(12) AQcc J9cc QJcc KJcc KQcc AcQx(3) AxQc(2) =40
Total combos defended: 47
Board: AhTc7c
Range 1: TT,77,ATs,KQs-KJs,QJs,87s,9c9h,9d9c,9s9c,9c8c,8c8h,8d8c,8s8c
Range 2: AA,AKo,ATo,AKs,ATs,A7s,98s,AcQc,KcQc,KcJc,AcQh,AdQc,AsQc,AcQd,AcQs,QcJc,Jc9c
Equity 1: 37.756% Win 1: 36.905% Tie 1: 1.702%
Equity 2: 62.244% Win 2: 61.393% Tie 2: 1.702%
As seen in the range desired combos defended of Cbet much stronger than range check-raises. Is it ok? Alternatively, should have been more Cbet flop and more desired? However, on this flop small blind will be protected more often through check-raises.
Where did you find these equilab R estimations?
Jan. 5, 2016 | 6:51 a.m.