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Something to consider is that if you're snap folding every time you don't hit a set and calling all of them pre then in some cases far too much of your range may be composed of these pocket pairs that cannot continue on 88% of boards, this will result in some weird exploits becoming very profitable against you. For example if you open in the lojack and the BB 3Bs you then you should be continuing with a very tight range, if you're opening and then calling these pocket pairs then they'll make up a disproportionately large amount of your range so then your fold to CBet in these spots will be very high meaning that villain can 3B -> CB very profitably, half the time they pick up the pot preflop, and then over half the time they'll pick it up on the flop unless you start floating really wide which causes other problems. Essentially this is going to cause issues for your range on later streets if you want to consistently float all of these middling to low pocket pairs.

Furthermore there's a problem with your analysis in that you assume consistent 3B sizing, when you're going to be in position villain should be 3Betting larger giving you worse implied odds therefore you can't simply say that this is a profitable play in position and not when you're out of position as you're going to need to make much more money when you hit your set.

Against a certain kind of villain I think this is a very good play, villains who are 1 and done with their bluffs are perfect as you can call with these pairs on some dry board textures and often pick up the pot at showdown. It can also be effectively used against villains that consistently use large flop sizings, if they are regularly hovering around 1SPR in 3B pots by the turn then you will have no problem getting stacks in regardless of position.

Also I think it's unfair to group 88 and 99 in with the other pairs as they semi regularly flop as an overpair to the board and also will dominate some of villains bluffs. I think 55 is probably the best of them to call weirdly as it blocks A5s, 56s and 54s so the likelihood that you are up against a bluff is lower which is usually not a good thing but here you want them to have a value hand so you can get paid. Extending this logic 22 and 33 are terrible calls because you're flipping against their bluffs and you're less likely to get paid when you flop a set because you only block 2 combos of suited aces each and no other bluffs.

Essentially I think you should regularly be calling 88+ from a lot of spots but this is fairly standard anyway and then as an exploit against certain villains start adding in more pocket pairs however against a strong villain getting killed on redline is not worth stacking their aces every now and then.

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June 27, 2019 | 6:25 p.m.

Yes the ace is one of the worst cards in the deck but is his range really that ace high heavy to justify a fold? A lot of the suited wheel aces are going to get 3B pre, the middling ones really shouldn't be calling against an EP open and the strong ones should be 3betting, yes the button does show up here with a few strong but non premium aces at a reasonable frequency but how much of that is in his range compared to flushdraws or suited broadways that are stabbing with essentially 0 equity.

May 18, 2019 | 2:57 p.m.

Honestly though the idea to attack someone who has a capped range is a good thought process to have and in some situations you can do this with any 2 profitably (i.e: triple barreling ace high boards when checked to by someone who doesn't check any ace) but this is not the situation for it, firstly in a multiway pot villains range isn't as capped as you probably think it is and also your range is actually even more capped than villains. Personally I regularly run a similar play but with a few crucial differences, namely that I do it from the BB in multiway pots when the pre flop raiser or anyone who came after them and had a chance to bet stabs the turn when it checks around to them for a second time. This is because as the BB your range isn't capped because you're checking 100% of flops and your wide range means that you could have hit a multitude of different 2 pairs on the turn so your value range is much wider.

May 16, 2019 | 10:15 p.m.

This is not KQ, and if it is villain is a massive fish, that would require float KQ which is fine but to then raise it on the turn is honestly ridiculous and shoving on the river is even more insane. On paired boards calling with a flush draw to steal on the turn is honestly fine because your opponent has such a polarised range, you're betting so much air that gives up turn and he can pick up the pot for cheap but if he raises and runs into a 3 he's gonna end up stacking off when severely behind or having to fold his equity. Honestly GTO wise you can call this just villains do not raise turn with enough bluffs for me to be fine calling this, at higher stakes sure I'm snapping this off because otherwise you're super exploitable but at these stakes it's a good tight fold.

May 16, 2019 | 10:08 p.m.

Hard to say what villain does this with as turn raise ranges are pretty inconsistent, at these kind of stakes they are very value heavy though. You're behind 43s (1), 44 (3), Q3 (3) so that's 7 combos. Honestly I think you just need to rip this turn all in and get the fear of getting stacked out of your head, sometimes you will get coolered but the chances that villain is either doing this with a worse value hand than you, a draw or the same hand as you is too high for you to not get this in. Not ripping the turn forces you to play rivers like this, short of an ace rivers were only going to improve villain. Add onto this that villain just is not folding any 3 here and I think letting villain see another card is criminal. Having said that you got to a river and you're in a tough spot that's worth looking at. I honestly think you can fold here, if villain was bluffing with hearts they just got there, K3 just got there and villain is clearly unbothered by the fact that you very obviously have a 3 or a combo draw that just hit a flush. If you think villain is a fish then there's a high chance they may be overvaluing something but if villain is any good they know low stakes players don't fold trips so they're not trying to get you off a 3 here they're trying to get a call. It is worth mentioning that villain is very polarised here so his value range is very small (this should really be the nut flush or better, calling weak hearts then raising them on the turn is kinda iffy but the nut flush can take this line) so you don't have to find too many bluffs to make this a profitable call but I don't think you'll find them from your typical microstakes player.

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May 16, 2019 | 8:20 p.m.

This would be a prime example of fancy play syndrome, you should not be obsessed with winning every pot, sometimes you just need to let it go. If you bluff with essentially any 2 in this spot you are very exploitable, you're essentially repping 44, 54s or maybe 76s if you flat those pre in this spot (and don't bet 76 on the flop when checked to as a semi bluff) which is a bit of a stretch but I'll presume you do so that you can make this play as a bluff as well. That means that you have 10 value hands, this means that you should have very few bluffs here. Villain has to pay $2.60 to win $7.37 so you should really only have 4 bluffs combos if you want to make villain indifferent to calling here although this is not too strict. Basically you have to pick up to 10 hands currently in your range that are worth making this play with and I don't think AQo falls into that top 10.

May 16, 2019 | 8:05 p.m.

Comment | TGMezza commented on nl200z AA vs limp

Bet and comfortably fold to a raise, pre flop, flop and turn sizings should be bigger against weak regs with inelastic calling ranges.

Say we make it 12 pre then it's 27 on the flop, 20 on the flop and it's 67 by the turn and then 45 on the turn and by the river the pot is at 157 which is a comfortable size to jam into and stack off with villains tens that he can't fold on literally any other river. It also means that we can be fine not value betting this river because we've made things easy for ourselves and narrowed villains range to what should be exactly a ten so if he got here we're beat which sucks but that's gonna happen or sometimes (actually often times) villain shows up with a middle pair that we got max value from over 2 streets rather than 3.

May 16, 2019 | 1:10 p.m.

Call, fold, call/raise 12BB, call, raise 12BB or fold

A) great implied odds especially multiway, if worried about the reverse implied odds simply play it incredibly aggressively when you hit your set
B) Frequently dominated, lacks playability, can only get 1 street of value maximum when the best hand via top pair, rarely anything better than a bluff catcher multiway
C) great implied odds and playability in heads up or multiway however also suffers from horrible reverse implied odds in multiway pots due to facing better flushdraws at a very high frequency
D) Good implied odds multiway but is frequently dominated when you raise and get called
E) Multiway your top pair is no good and that's about all this hand regularly makes and you have no ability to over realise your equity through bluffing with this hand because it can only flop 1 strong draw (QT open ender) but in a heads up pot this is a fairly strong hand just be careful about going for 3 streets as you will run into AJ, AK and KQ at fairly high frequencies.

I choose 12BB here because my rule is (4 + 2X)BB where X is the number of limpers + 1 for the BB, try using this with a fairly tight squeezing range (treat it like 3B vs an open from the first player because thats how they're going to defend it) at first then add in more bluffs or more value hands as you observe the response of the players around you.

Also as a side note, JTo is a very overrated hand, just because it's connected and got 2 broadways does not mean folding it pre is worth crying over.

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May 16, 2019 | 1:02 p.m.

Flop seems fine, the only thing worth considering is your sizing, yes you definitely aren't going wrong with half pot here but it's one of the easier sizings for villain to play properly against and makes turns a bit harder for you for a few reasons you don't know what villain is doing with his ace high here, this makes it harder for you to decide whether you want to barrel turns because you don't know how many folds you're getting, if you go larger you know villain has a much tighter range when he calls and you can save yourself some money on unfavourable turns and if you go smaller yes his ace high is definitely calling one street but when you want to double barrel which you should on most turns this is actually more profitable. Essentially you should decide whether you want to stab at this pot with a pretty merged range and then polarise on the turn or whether you're polarising now and pick your bet size accordingly. Again, not a massive issue, this probably isn't losing that much EV and is one of personal preference but it is making your life harder later down the line.

On the turn I like the decision to double barrel, I know a lot of people give up when they turn a pair with their flush draw and try and get to a cheap showdown but this is a mistake. I also like the sizing, puts villain in a horrible spot with his better flush draws and weak queens, given villains fairly capped range he must be hating life now although it is a bit awkward given your stack size. I'm not sure if this is GTO in fact it probably isn't but as a population exploit you can work in some overbets here especially with a hand that is looking to stack off on so many rivers. The population generally overcalls against regular sized bets but overfolds to overbets and jams. In a hypothetical world where you sized up on the flop to $60 you'd now have $350 behind and a $200 pot which against a good 1/2 reg may fold their entire range (perhaps with the exception of trapping queens or turned 2 pair with 76s) - profitable regs at this stake stay profitable by folding to aggression which we can exploit. With your current stack size an overbet is a bit awkward but just something to consider for the future.

On the river I'm fairly torn, bluffing with your missed flush draws is typically a bad idea and add on to that the possibility that he got sticky with the NFD or a combo draw that you beat at showdown and this hand does not make for a nice bluffing candidate, add on to this that you only have half pot behind and a jam really isn't looking all that great. Having said that villain isn't that keen to get it in either, given stack depths if he's paying attention he should be jamming the turn if he wants to play for all of it and this includes his trapping queens, counting on you to get it in as a triple barrel bluff (which it most likely is if he has something as nutted as queens that blocks your value range) is a really bad idea. Essentially I think in terms of balance this is a bad jam but there is a good argument for doing it exploitatively against a villain that has not balanced his flop checking range properly to include check call 3 streets hands because most of these villain is betting. I really wouldn't be surprised to see villain show up with jacks or tens that he had a hard time letting go even facing that big bet on the turn if you were to check and to see them go into the muck if you bet. The only logical calldowns villain really has here are QJs, QTs and 87s but I can also see a tilt call coming from JJ or TT and sometimes villain shows up with 87s here. I think that if your intention was to bluff what is essentially a brick river for villain - only 87 has improved enough to call - then maybe you need to be more careful with your bet sizing on the turn to set up this jam better, for half pot I can see villain talking themselves into cry calling JJ and TT whilst talking about how he "blocks QJ/QT therefore it's a profitable call"

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May 16, 2019 | 12:46 p.m.

If you think villain is the type to overbluff by including too many of his missed flush draws in his triple barrel bluff range this probably becomes a fairly easy call down actually

May 15, 2019 | 11:14 a.m.

Yeah this seems fine to me, if you're thinking of calling what is essentially a brick river then you should be ripping the turn instead but I don't like that either, if you didn't have the ace of hearts I'd fold this on the turn, hearts got there, no other missed draws and you have 4 outs against villains value range (an ace or a jack and a jack could have given villain quads) but yeah as people said turn is a call just based on equity. Only thing which makes river a tempting spot to call is villain is polarising to nut flush or better with the overbet jam and you block the nut flush but villain is probably using this sizing with a lot of his baby flushes as well to get value from a jack.

May 15, 2019 | 11:11 a.m.

First off, this should be a 3B pre, I see you've realised that but I'm going to list out why so that you don't just 3B here because you've been told to and are instead doing it with good reason.
-you're so far ahead of villains range
-you do not want to pay rake
-AQ plays much better in low SPR
-we do not want to let villain realise equity against us (villain will also massively over realise with the betting lead and an uncapped range, AQs has roughly 60% against a CO opening range but will probably only realise around 54% here)
-You dominate a lot of villains calling range so you probably realise more equity when you get called because if there is a A or Q on the flop and you both hit it then stacks are going in at a low SPR and you will over realise due to position, betting lead, uncapped range and potential to flop the NFD leaving you in amazing shape
-Even in the worst case scenario you can call a 4B in position with this hand profitably (32% equity vs a worst case scenario of JJ+ and AK with no bluffs although with this kind of SPR you are more likely to just get jammed on which you can't call) and if you don't 3B this what is your 3B range B vs CO? AK and QQ+?

Now that's out of the way onto post flop. You should probably bet bigger on the flop, if villain is a fish he is calling very inelastically and not paying much attention to bet size, something closer to 70% is probably much more profitable, sets you up for a much bigger bet on the turn as well, having said this it's probably a bit exploitable because this isn't the size you would want to use when you're stabbing at this flop but if you want to balance even against the fish and use the same size for both then losing an extra 2BB when your stab gets called compared to inflating the pot exponentially when you're ahead is profitable in the long run. Turn bet sizing is fine, sets up a nice river jam, you can go bigger again, a lot of the time he has a weak queen here that's calling turn but not river so you want to max out your value here. Just as an example of using larger bets the pot is at $4.55 after the turn but say you went for $0.70 on the flop it would have been $2.35 and then $1.70 makes in $6.75 by the river, not too much of a problem given stack sizes but that would set you up for a very nice jam on the river if villain was not playing short.

River is just downright weird, he's basically repping K7 or K3 which he shouldn't really have but he's a fish so it's possible. Villain could also have AK given how much people hate folding that post flop and AcKc does make some sense. Given how passively villain has played this hand I'm finding it hard to put him on a bluff, none of them make sense anyway, so I'm just left looking for things that he overvalues here because check/call, check/call, jam with complete air is a bit ambitious for you to hope to be up against. I can't really find anything you beat so I'm fine with a fold. I think the more interesting thing is what happens if villain checks to you here, going back to bet sizing (yes I know...) if they were bigger you can easily stack off with villains queens here that are getting way too sticky, I don't think villain ever has KQ in this spot so I think you can stack off fairly profitably. As things stand it's kind of awkward, you're pretty far ahead of villains range at this point in time but it's very dicey what he calls a jam with, maybe villain finds a fold here and you're only getting called by better which is very annoying given the strength of your hand we really don't want to check back on this river. You could go small but that puts you in a horrible spot if villain raises, you're priced in but basically never good so you probably just cry and call? I don't know what I'd do there tbh, probably stare long and hard at my hud on villain searching for answers that aren't there.

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May 15, 2019 | 11:03 a.m.

Whether you call down should probably be dependent on your opinion of villain, if villain is a strong/aggressive enough player then I think he has enough bluffs and you're high enough up in your range that you should probably be calling, I don't know if you get to the river with a hand stronger than aces, maybe you play your kings this way as well but I don't think you have any of the other sets or 2 pair here, maybe K9s and nines? Even if you do then that's still only 9 combos ahead of your aces here and nines is basically the nuts so you should probably 3B it. As for villains natural triple barrels here JTs no hearts (and preferably no clubs either) and 87s make the most sense imo, if villain is fairly creative 76s, 65s and T9s make some sense as well but I think people would often rather call with their weak pairs on the flop a lot of the time rather than turn them into bluffs so soon. Such a small flop raise really does scream value hand, it's begging to be called so I think it's likely villain is underbluffing here.

This hand may come down to whether you think villain has AK here, UTG+1 vs B 3B you can flat it especially given how deep you are - villain will hate life if you 5B him. Post flop the line is a bit aggressive but he does block AA and KK so you only have 4 combos that should be ahead of him here so if you 3B and then call down your KQo+ here villain is doing very well with this line, even better if we assume that you either check back or 3B your KK, AA and AK at some frequency on the flop.

So assuming villain isn't going nuts here with complete air or seriously overvaluing KQ then he has 5 combos of bluffs and 6 combos of value that you're ahead of compared with 9 that you're behind (flopped sets and K9s - I'm assuming villain won't have any of the other flopped 2 pair or 98s with this line). So if you think they have AK call and if you don't you can honestly probably still call, if you don't want to be exploitable you should because otherwise you're folding too much against this line but you're not gonna be in this spot often enough for it to matter imo and it only makes this line marginally more profitable for villain.

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May 15, 2019 | 10:21 a.m.

At small SPR position provides very small advantages, if you bet 150 and get a call from the raiser the money is going in pretty reliably (380 in the pot and 350 behind). Your shove makes it really hard for villain to make a mistake against you, I don't think it's outright unprofitable just because the queens are so strong but honestly are you calling jacks here? Can you reliably tell me whether villain is calling with their jacks here? Now compare that to jacks facing a large 3B, how many times have you seen a sigh call in this spot?

It's not terrible but the reason for sizing up is to take down the dead money which we really dont want, we want a caller here who will stack off with us

May 12, 2019 | 6:04 p.m.

First off before we get to the call/fold I think it's important to consider the bet on the turn and what you're aiming to get value from. It feels like this is a situation where you're forcing villain to play perfectly just because you have a vulnerable overpair that you feel you need to be betting. When the top card pairs as the previous street aggressor it's usually very good for your range that villain should be folding a lot of their hands (although here it's a bit less clear who has more sevens and after you iso you definitely do not have any boats). Villain is probably going to for once actually be overfolding on the turn (the population hates folding turns and rivers to reasonable sized bets) so their continuing range is so strong that I don't think you're ahead of enough of it to call this a value bet in the strict sense of the word.

Now there are other reasons to bet this, as mentioned your overpair is fairly vulnerable and would like some protection but you did already charge their overcards on the flop, just naked overcards have around 13% equity here so it is pretty unimportant to get preoccupied with preventing your opponent from realising their equity. Additionally a lot of the reason that you float overcards is because after someone shows weakness on the turn you can take the pot away with a stab on the river and you have a perfect bluff catcher should this happen. You do also want to be charging the flush draws here because you won't get anything out of them on the river should you value bet but once again your opponent is fairly likely to bluff them at some frequency (even if they really shouldn't they have a bunch of better bluffs in that spot but people can't help themselves sometimes especially when you look somewhat weak). If your opponent is very unlikely to lead a river after you barrel turn like this even when their flush hits then this becomes much more attractive because you can set the price of the showdown. The last reason to bet this is to avoid capping your range, against strong opponets bet-check-bet is really hard to play in a balanced manner because it may be hard to know exactly where you are in your range and what you should be calling and folding when you face a river raise, however here I don't think this is a significant issue.

Honestly on this turn I don't think you get much value out of anything that wouldn't call on the river (maybe ace high with a gutshot calls turn but not river) or at least has a good enough chance of bluffing on brick rivers that you can get value this way anyway so I'd lean to checking back this turn.

I personally think just fold everything worse that a 7 here, I think that's probably GTO as well but not at home to run through a solver, if you're trying to get 2 streets with a hand like this then it is very much bet/fold or you're stationing off way too light and giving your opponents amazing implied odds should they hit their hands. The bottom of villains value range should be a very strong 7 but given what you've said about villain it really isn't, they're probably overvaluing something like 87 or 76 here which is good in terms of playing against them but here it has you fucked. Also I don't often see people call flop with the intention of bluffing the turn, it's quite an advanced play and people just much prefer check raising the flop so villain is so value heavy here that I'd also be fine laying down aces and kings. You do make some nice points about blockers but that really doesn't do enough to skew villains range enough that you can call here, blockers are important for very marginal spots and I think this is comfortably a fold.

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May 12, 2019 | 5:50 p.m.

250BB is pretty much on the cusp of being able to fold your kings pre, not here but say you were to 5B and face a 6B shove.

Because of this I'm fine not having a 5B range when we get this deep, or maybe exploitatively 5B your aces versus weak players that can't say goodbye to their queens and jacks pre. Having said that not 5 betting your aces is fine against weak players as well, you'll still stack their kings 9 times out of 10 and they will convince themselves that their jacks/queens are the nuts when there isn't an overcard. Also allowing people to realise equity when they 4B you isn't really a big deal because 4B ranges are super tight and likely very light on bluffs so you don't have much to gain from folding out the equity that the bluffing part of their range has against your kings because it may not exist.

May 12, 2019 | 5:16 p.m.

If you're betting small to get to a cheap showdown then I think this is fine, villain's aren't raising with enough bluffs in this spot (or any for that matter).

I do think you should consider a turn check tho, much more comfortable to check back then go for thin value/bluff catch on the river given that villain has a lot of floats that are going to give up facing a double barrel on this board but could be convinced to bluff if you show weakness and they don't improve by the river. I just think villain's range is too clearly divided into snap folds and hands that are ahead of you and calling so this bet really forces them to play perfectly. It's also worth noting that you're not getting as much protection as it would seem here, a fourth spade stings but a lot of hands with a spade in them here will be the nut flush draw which is going to put you in this horrible spot where you're forced to fold a lot of the time.

Against stronger villains if you elect to bet the turn consider sizing up even though you have a very marginal hand, this kind of bet is going to induce this response fairly often as it screams "I want a cheap showdown" so even if you want to use a merged range you should attempt to make it look a little more polar to make raising less attractive as your range seems fairly capped here, if you use this sizing with your boats, flushes and aces/AK with the ace of spades then it's fine but you probably don't or at least it's less profitable if you do so this sizing is asking to be bluffed.

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May 12, 2019 | 5:07 p.m.

You want to be check raising this flop very aggressively due to ICM pressure on your opponent and how your ranges interact with it, you have a nut advantage in terms of range but also you have a nice blocker to sets and 2 pair and a blocker to the straight. It also makes a nice check raise because you don't block the draws you're happy to get it in with like 85, 98 or flush draws so I'd have this in my XR range. Call is probably still fine but you're folding on so many turns and allowing villain to realise so much equity that I'd rather jam and ensure I get 100% equity realisation and villain doesnt, with so much of the villains range containing overcards folding out their not insignificant equity is actually very valuable especially when we cannot bluff catch effectively. Also ICM pressure, villain probably overfolds in this spot.

On the turn this is a mandatory call, a 3 or 5 is almost certainly an out and a 4 is an out at least half of the time probably more plus he's now turned some flush draws/combo draws himself that are going to bluff here

May 10, 2019 | 8:52 a.m.

Comment | TGMezza commented on bet / 3 bet nfd Ac5c

Villain does not like money

May 10, 2019 | 8:38 a.m.

Comment | TGMezza commented on Good call?

Just fold the flop, it's exploitable and you're probably not quite defending mdf but your outs aren't clean as you saw and it's fine sometimes villain will exploit you. If you want to call flop then call turn and call river is probably fine from GTO, you're top of your range except some turned/rivered 2 pair or KQ, but not exploitatively imo, villains are not double or triple barrelling enough air and his only natural bluff (45s) got there, maybe you think he triple barrels his gutshots to balance properly (still 14 combos bluffs vs 31 value AND triple barrelling the ace high gut shots is fairly questionable AND the 6 high ones hit a shitty pair on the river where a lot of villains talk themselves into taking their imagined showdown value) but I really don't so unless you have a read that villain is a maniac who will do this with complete air he is incredibly value heavy by the time he gets to the river.

May 10, 2019 | 8:28 a.m.

I'd probably check raise flop, I'm fine with not having a raising range on this flop because we don't have any of the top 2 sets and not all of the 2 pairs (T6 and J6o I'm assuming were folded pre), having said that if you are going to raise your set and 2 pairs here you need some bluffs and this is pretty much the best one (I imagine KQs gets 3B pre). I prefer having a raising range at lower stacks due to station opponents that I want to stack off light and often with so yeah I'd raise this.

If we don't raise the flop I don't like the raise on the turn, this is because none of your flatting hands have now become premium hands that you want to raise, you're basically saying that you slow played the flop, which once again is fine if you never raise this flop but villain doesn't know that so they're left staring at your check raise and probably come to the right conclusion, you're on some kind of combo draw.

On the river I really don't hate leading this, you don't have AK but you do have K9, 98, QJ, QT, KQo so you have a lot of fairly nutted hands that want to lead and I don't mind adding in Q9/Q8 as well here. This is very villain dependent, if they're the kind of player that is likely to raise the river as a bluff this is probably suicide for your winrate and you should stick to leading with a very polarised range if at all here but as we are assumedly calling a reasonable sized bet I think we should look for thin value from a jack here. QJ is probably too tight for bet flop and bet turn with how tight multiway ranges should be so I don't think villain has improved here unless he has QQ which there is 1 combo of and if we can comfortably fold to a raise knowing villain isn't doing it without the nuts then we can skirt then line between blocker and value bet here with something like 1/3 pot. Just something I like to add into my game against opponents that lack creativity because those small river bets are actually really big (1/3 pot on the river is larger than the 60% pot bet on the turn) so you're gaining around 13BB when you're good and saving yourself 13BB when you face a 2/3 pot bet when you're not. If you were intending to fold Q9 to a triple barrel here then this isn't as relevant but I think it's probably one of your best bluff catchers, you block the straight and are probably at the top of your range if you like to lead this river when you improve to 2pair+. Don't do this kind of thing against people that you play with regularly though because it only takes one showdown for them to go home and work on their river bluff raising range in order to exploit you.

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May 10, 2019 | 8:10 a.m.

At these stack depths you can actually get it all in against a check raise imo, those pocket pairs are very likely to have shoved pre flop so they don't have the sets at least some of the time but they probably haven't accounted for this so the raising range you're facing is probably way too bluff heavy. Also 'it hits their range' is way more of a concern for you here than it should be, yes they have more nut combos but you have all of the overpairs and only the BB has any of the 2 pair. When you have a very vulnerable top pair with a very strong kicker you should be betting it now before it turns into second pair which a) kills your action when your ahead and b) now a lot of the time you're behind.

As for the turn I absolutely hate this fold, yes it's an overcard, yes BN has some aces in his range but are you folding to a button stab on any overcard here? Your outs are the same ace or no ace, any 9, any K, this is an insane fold where you're ahead so much of the time, BN should be stabbing here with any semblance of equity after it's been played so passively.

May 10, 2019 | 7:46 a.m.

I'm not entirely sure on the maths of this and flatting is definitely ok with the odds you're getting but ripping this all in isn't terrible either imo, plays fairly poorly multiway (can only really get one street from top pair due to tight ranges and reverse implied odds) + all of the dead money in the pot probably makes up for being behind when MP calls us.

Having said that onto the postflop. I think a flop call isn't exactly bleeding chips but you're not deep enough to peel a non spade turn so at these sprs I think you can either shove or fold on the flop, I don't hate either, when we get it in here we will be facing a lot of nut flush draws which have us fucked but I think MP is probably stabbing fairly wide at this even tho it is multiway and your raise looks so strong it's going to fold out a lot of hand strong hands like top pair or overpairs without a spade depending on how stationy villain is. I think the button is fairly uncapped here at this SPR he can get it in without a raise and doesn't have to check turn and risk missing an easy stack off opportunity and be left fumbling to recover with an overbet on the river. This would make me less likely to raise because I don't think we can call his raise dead money just yet as he has 2 people behind him that he may want to bring along. The SB on the other hand is very capped imo, only problem I can see is a slow played nut flush but after a bet and a call I think SB should be looking to raise any flush weaker than this and get it in on the turn as otherwise they risk a spade killing their action. Furthermore at these stack depths SB shouldn't have any of the sets as they should be jamming these pre so I think small blind has at best 2 pair and far more likely a ten with a spade. All this said I'm most fine with a jam here, call and then fold turn is painful, call and then bluff the turn when we don't hit isn't happening because of the SPR but I am also ok with a fold depending on what you think about buttons range.

Turn pretty much plays itself, very confused by what MP had, probably complete air that got a little out of line but I'd definitely take a not here double barrelling in this spot and then having to fold to such a small raise does suggest quite an aggro player.

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May 10, 2019 | 7:34 a.m.

I think you should 3B the flop here with all the combo draws and probably also the pair + flush draws if you CB them as well which I like to do although they do make good check backs as well when we're OOP and want to balance our checking range. You just aren't getting the odds on the turn to call and are going to face a barrel here a very high percentage of the time leaving you folding to dominated flush draws. Yes you called here and it worked out but you put in 162 to win 274 so you needed 37% equity and I don't think you have that because even if we assume this guy is check raising and then shoving all of his draws here you still only have 35%

May 10, 2019 | 7:11 a.m.

Check flop then bet turn or size down and bet your entire range, basically you're using a polar sizing with a medium strength hand, if you go something like 30%, 30% then check back the river this can be a good way to counter an aggressive player that is likely to make your life hell if you check the flop and to also get some value from ace high/overcards whilst charging them for their equity. Personally I like being super exploitable and betting your entire range small here except for your weak jack and pocket pairs, this makes your betting range incredibly weak in this spot but because they are probably not defending at the MDF anyway you can get away with it but be careful with this against good players because you cannot defend against check raises properly with this strategy or they may float very wide with intent to steal on later streets

May 10, 2019 | 4:50 a.m.

First off, don't worry about capping your range in this spot, you're allowing too many weaker hands to realise all of their equity against you and no one is exploiting your capped range that hard. Also it's a small blind 3B range, that should be wide even for nitty players, if you're not attacking the SB 3B then I assume you just don't 4B which makes 3 betting you very attractive because you let me realise all of my equity every time, this is much more exploitable than having a weaker 3B calling range and good players will make your life hell here.

With regards to how the hand plays if you're going to trap kings pre (which is generally fine my message is more about 'trapping' your whole range) then this is the spot to spring the trap, stack off against their AJ+ profitably, get some more value out of naked jacks that might get scared by overcards, deny equity from hands that are CBetting for range and will give up on most turns unless they pull ahead and get all of their flush draws in on the flop.

Turn is same against, just shove, they will have jacks/aces here at some frequency, it's fine get over it, get stacked you're supposed to, they'll have QQ and AJ much more often. Maybe you can call if you think they'll bluff their missed flush draws but even then you're letting them realise equity again.

River is a horrible card, T9s is now ahead, QJ is now ahead, backdoor diamonds got there and you don't have a blocker and just in terms of exploiting the field this is one of those rare points where AJ and KJ may actually find a fold (or at the very least you are no longer going to stack off against) if they check over to you and you value bet. Having said that I don't think many villains double barrel QJ so we can discount that so villain isn't representing as wide a value range as it would initially seem, it's essentially T9s(4), QQ (3), JJ (3), flushes (12 although this depends on 3B range), AcQc (1 which we beat), KcQc (1 which we beat), AA (6) and KK (1) so 31 hands but we beat 2 and chop with 1 so 28 hands and we need to win roughly 1/3 of the time so we need 12 bluffs for villain here (because we are already ahead of 2 of his value bets).

If you think villain does this with his busted flush draws/nut flush blockers then it's a call, if you don't it's a fold in my view but you should honestly never be in this spot and if you're going to play your overpairs this passively and then not even bluff catch with them you're playing way too tight and way too passive, you've got to get that last time where you ran into aces with kings out of your head and play them like the strong hand that they are or this is a massive leak in your game.

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May 10, 2019 | 4:43 a.m.

His check raise is absolutely tiny, it's barely over a min raise. He risked 1.05 to win 1.49 so if you're not defending an overpair then villain can run this play on you on any board with any 2 and profit because you're only defending 2 pair+ at this point. I don't want to meme to distract from the hand itself but just fold your queens pre if this is how you stand up to pressure in 3B pots with them.

May 10, 2019 | 4:03 a.m.

Comment | TGMezza commented on bet / 3 bet nfd Ac5c

You bet a flop into 3 people which signals a strong hand, he raised this (albeit small) which signals an even stronger hand or very strong draw. Open enders and weak flush draws are not necessarily in his range at this point or at least not with the 100% frequency that you may be trying to talk yourself into thinking. Then you 3B really big and pot committing, from this point on there is 0 fold equity, villain cannot call this with the intention to fold on pretty much any turn, maybe the 7 or 2 of clubs completing both the draws or if they have 2 pair and it gets counterfeit. I think the 3B should either be sized down to let you overbet jam the turn or just jam here on the flop and maximise your fold equity immediately rather than ensuring you get 2 crying calls by spacing out your bets.

After this action villain does not have a draw in my view, the flush and straight draws would have already got it all in, I think this call is so strong that we can give up here unless we turn some extra equity on a 7/5/4/2. I don't think villain has any hands in his range that fold here, maybe exactly KJ or KQ if he raises this quite loose on the flop but with the SPR they may just get it in here which is a few too many ifs for me to count on fold equity from them.

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May 10, 2019 | 3:56 a.m.

4B a bit larger, villain probably has a very inelastic continuing range in this kind of spot and you can probably get a lot more out of them, at a minimum to something like 290 if you desperately want that call imo. On the flop I think you should definitely consider checking, villain very rarely has a flush draw (maybe exactly AdQd from how you describe them) so you don't really need to worry about a diamond peeling off and bet flop jam turn is getting a fold from QQ and JJ whilst AK and AA are getting it in over 2 streets no matter how you do it. Considering that I think you should check, make villain feel better about calling you on the turn, give them a chance to see all the cards so maybe you can win with set over set and give villain an opportunity to maybe bluff - I know you said loose passive but you are so nutted in this spot and block their continuing range so basically the only hand that will pay you off with your line is AK or trapping aces and like I said they're going in anyway + aces probably goes in pre at least half the time.

As more general advice not accounting for player dynamics I think a check still stands as a good option, after a cold 4B your range is so tight that if you're betting KK, AA and AK here your checking range is actually insanely weak, personally I think KQs can also be 4B here alongside KQo and KJs against lag players at some frequency but if you dont have them in your preflop range then when you check on this board what do you do against a stab on the turn and a river jam? You have no hands to call down with so a hand as strong as KK which also has these blocker effects can really strengthen up that checking range to stop stronger opponents from running you over when you play a spot like this passively.

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May 10, 2019 | 3:25 a.m.

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