tbeckbeck

The poker economy is on the decline because of the way it looks to someone new on the outside looking in. The way poker is going and the new players it's attracting is also a lot down to people currently playing it. However no one wants to admit that and so I don't see it changing.

What do I mean by this? Well when I first started playing it was out chance and something to do to pass the time. Then once you start playing. as with a lots of people you start enjoying the competitive nature of the game. Plus being able to make money from it gives you a buzz and makes it even more enjoyable. But what I think is very important is to understand the reason I think a lot of new players start playing seriously enough to help the poker economy. For some it's simply boredom. But for most it's with the though of " I could start making a lot of money playing this game and it's fun, much better than having a 9-5 job". However I think that has drastically changed.

I think a completely new player looking in now would see poker and think fuck that!!. It looks boring and hard, I'd rather gamble somewhere else like for example sports betting. You guys have to understand this, if you want it to get better. It's changed from a thing that seemed quite cool to something really boring. This new grinding mentality, with all the stats, HUDs, 20 tables, studying all day on GTO. Then you turn on the TV and see these guys looking like the weight of the world is on his shoulders, trying to be a robot, never talking, staring everyone out. It doesn't look fun.

I know when I watching it on TV and my brother comes sit down, after about 10 minutes he says turns this over it's boring. I sit there and say but they are playing for to win millions how cool is that. But he doesn't care because the people he's looking at are actively trying to be the most dull people you could ever meet ROBOTS. There is a reason why all these amatuers love negreanu it's not because he isn't trying as hard as everyone else but at the table he at least seems to give the impression that he's living a dream.

So in all fairness, poker will never die but the current players go on like they currently are they will only attract a particular player, they are players exactly like themselves. So they games will get tougher and tougher, more and more boring. If people could lighten up and removed the grinding hardcore mentality that currently surrounds the game and tried to lighten up even though behind closed doors they are working there socks off I think your find the game will get better.

the fact I didnt check raise flop I think in most people eyes puts me on a jack or a draw and all my draws have a 10 really, but the way you broke it down I did the same and just thought when someone bets that flop they have sets and overpairs nearly always.

thats a really good point I should be maybe paying a bit more attention, but the intention was to check raise and if he checked back bet turn big if i came a low card. When the queen hits on the turn I think we have to check as he could if he calls we won't know where we are at. But should I fold turn or would you call it.

yeah donkbetting next time was what I was thinking. See I'm jut not a huge fan of folding there. Maybe I'm wrong and need to research it a bit more. But I think some people play way to tight with 20bb maybe I'm wrong though.

yeah agreed, I didn't really need any advice on the hand as I knew what was wrong with my play anyway. But I really needed to just write it on the forum to vent frustration and let people tell me how awful it was. To be honest I am fundamentally strong but I sometimes I have a real problem with patience in the later stages I don't know why but instead of playing tighter I just get excited and try and bully the table.

I think these are the situations that seperate the great tournament players to the average. When you see this flop you should be rubbing your hands thinking how do I get the money in.

This hands goes a couple of ways. You check call all three streets you don't hit you fold and you lose half your stack.

You check call the flop hit the flush on the turn and don't get paid off cos the guy pot controls.

Or you look to play for stacks you fold out hes marginal and if he calls and shows qq+ you hit your flush and guarantee a deep run possibly a win.

I honestly think this is a great hand to show what makes the big tourney winners

you what it is nl 2 has some of the biggest idiots playing and so you get into a lot of situations where there shouldn't call but they do and wierd stuff happens.

Heres an example hand:

I raise utg with aces get 3bet I 4bet flop comes dry king high. he min bets into me I raise he goes allin I call hes got queens turn is a queen.

Another one I raise on button with a9 suited get 3bet I call flop comes a9 10 he shoves flop I call turn and river kq for straight.