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martialCards

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Before we all jump up and yell "STEAL FROM THEM", let me elaborate on the question.  

I am reasonably familiar with the idea of aiming to bluff at a frequency that makes our opponents call decision indifferent, but as I understand it, this in a macro sense is using our bluffing strategy to reinforce the profit of our value betting strategy.  

However, what if we come across the proverbial post-flop super nit, a player who seems thrilled to be stolen from flop turn and river.  Many times before I bet my 8 high no pair no draw my internal dialogue sounds something like "I guess I have to keep betting if he's always just going to fold, but there must be more to this spot than simply going well he folds 90% I don't see why I should not bluff anything in my range."  

Often these players are the true bum hunters of the stakes (especially at zoom/rush I find), and seem to be quite happy only continuing with good value postflop.  Going over how I'm doing against a few of these regs in my database its exactly as one would expect lots of medium pots and small pots going to hero by way of steal and close to even in big pots losing some 3rd barrels and winning some slowplays against them.  Against other kinds of players the direction hero should curtail his macro strategy to try to influence / augment their observed naturally occurring leaks is more obvious (i.e. push them further in the direction they are already leaking), but against the guy already folding as much as we could possibly want him to fold, what should our strategic train of thought sound like?  

How can I preserve the dynamic of him always folding to me? 

How can I make sure I don't go overboard and ruin a good thing? 

How can I make him so angry he turns into a station? 

etc.

I've also been slowplaying almost if not all my value range against these guys, and there is 0 sophistication in this; all it is is when I look down at my middle set then I look at his stats saying he will fold if I bet at any point in the hand I opt to check lol.  I would love to hear some insights from the game theory pros out there about what kinds of things we ought to be thinking about against these outliers.  Thank you for your time.  

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Jan. 5, 2014 | 7:06 p.m.

Ive been meditating on and off for 2 years now and at first I got into it with too much focus on the benefits it was going to bring me.  My journey as I recall looks something like this:

1. sold on positive benefits, forced myself to start focusing on the benefits way too much

2. realized how silly it was to have such specific expectations out of something I completely did not understand

3. started meditating with no pressure and an inquisitive spirit

4. discovered how difficult not doing was

5. after i hit the first curve of enjoying not doing, not being good at it, but just knowing that i did it to some degree after coming out of a good meditation session and feeling great about it.  this is where i first started feeling the focus benefits and this was more than a year into trying to do it semi regularly.  at least every other day but sometimes for very short periods of time.  i only go for as long as i feel good meditating for i figure the better i get at it the longer the averages will get so i don't pressure myself to do "30 mins" or anything that specific.  the focus increase i felt was being much calmer during periods of nothing happening while grinding.  i don't think i increased the quality of focus, but def the quantity.  i don't pressure myself to "push the action" when nothing is happening and the calmer you are in general the more in tune with the truth of the situation in poker i feel.  before meditation i was projecting a host of opinions and emotions unto rational poker decisions, after meditation i still do this but i recognize it immediately laugh at myself compassionately and take the cue for my break.   


hope that helps its a fun little adventure that has the potential to get a hella deep, gl on your journey

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Dec. 24, 2013 | 4:15 p.m.

solid equity on this post changing my life, appreciate the kindness sir.  

wondering if you could elaborate on what a warm-up session is haha tyty


Dec. 24, 2013 | 4 p.m.

excellent post, wondering if you could elaborate on "this will leave your betting range incredibly unbalanced"

i plugged a 15% opening range and the cbet range you cited comes to about 40%, where the composition is 3:2 value:draw equity (if we count top pair as "value" here). 

im not too familiar with the specifics of balancing a range on a flop especially when examining the situation from a one-sided perspective just looking at hero's range.  not sure how much work is involved to explain but would love some incite on how we can observe the imbalance in this cbetting range.


tyty 

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Dec. 24, 2013 | 2:59 p.m.

click flag post by accident was just reading how do i unflag?

Sept. 29, 2013 | 3:24 a.m.

Comment | martialCards commented on nl2k 4betpot

if villain shows up with QQ+, AK, what does that do to hero's 4bet range next instance?  Does hero 4bet JJ again UTG open vs. Late 3bet?

July 27, 2013 | 5:54 a.m.

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