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I have both Snowie and pio and generally use pio for bvb, bb vs open etc spots and in general any spot where ranges are not affected by having to take other players into consideration. For those spots I use snowie, for example mp vs utg 2.5x calling and 3b ranges. I wanted to see if they come up with similar ranges when given the exact same situation and the results were very far from each other.

I took an utg 2.25x open and mp potsized 3b range and input those into pio. I gave pio options to pot4bet, call or fold with 100nl rake. I took potsized 4b because snowie already had it's range for that.

Here are results

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Why the hell are the results so different? 1.5bb explo and 50subet in pio. From what I know about both softwares I trust pio's ranges to be better but I've also understood snowie to be pretty solid and have had a very good hsnl player tell me it's really good for 6m. What's the reason for the different ranges then?

I was doing preflop stuff with my excels when I think I noticed a mistake on one equation, luckily I haven't really used it so far.

I think I corrected it but can someone check this for me? I'm trying to calc the EV of 4betting given different assumptions of R.

Fold equity pre * (3b size + RFI size + blinds) + (1-fold equity pre) * (equity when called * potsize when 4b gets called)

This now results in 4bettor having an EV = potsize with 100% equity and 100% R, sooo it should be correct imo.

I'm posting this on both mid and high since a lot of posters might only browse on of them.

I've had some thoughts with fine-tuning my 3bet ranges lately and wanted some input.

For a long time I thought stuff like JJ,TT and AQs where too loose to 3b when IP vs decent reg utg range, but they all have +54% vs a realistic flatting range and have enough odds to flat vs a tight 4b range too, not to mention you deny others equity from making profitable calls behind, and obv profit when utg folds. So I think it's definately something I should add into my 3b range, for a long time I just flatted these hands.

I've also been toying around with mixing hands into both 3b and flat ranges, mostly the hands I 3bet for value so QQ+,AK. I've thought of 3betting these 50% vs utg 3x sizing. There are a lot of things to consider here though, should I 3bet QQ% more than 50% because it is much more vulnerable than AA and would rather get hu vs utg, or 3bet AA more than 50% because it is so much ahead compared to anything else?
If you had to choose one of these to 3bet more often than the other, which would it be? Let's assume we are mp vs utg, and co and btn 3bet 5% both, sb 3bets 8% and bb 3bets 4%, so we get squeezed roughly 22% of the time not taking into account our blockers to their 3b range.

Opening sizing also matters, I'd want to 3bet the top hands a higher % vs 2,5x and 2x, with very rarely flatting vs 2x.

I guess that's it for now, comments and thoughts welcome.

I'm posting this on both mid and high since a lot of posters might only browse on of them.

I've had some thoughts with fine-tuning my 3bet ranges lately and wanted some input.

For a long time I thought stuff like JJ,TT and AQs where too loose to 3b when IP vs decent reg utg range, but they all have +54% vs a realistic flatting range and have enough odds to flat vs a tight 4b range too, not to mention you deny others equity from making profitable calls behind, and obv profit when utg folds. So I think it's definately something I should add into my 3b range, for a long time I just flatted these hands.

I've also been toying around with mixing hands into both 3b and flat ranges, mostly the hands I 3bet for value so QQ+,AK. I've thought of 3betting these 50% vs utg 3x sizing. There are a lot of things to consider here though, should I 3bet QQ% more than 50% because it is much more vulnerable than AA and would rather get hu vs utg, or 3bet AA more than 50% because it is so much ahead compared to anything else?
If you had to choose one of these to 3bet more often than the other, which would it be? Let's assume we are mp vs utg, and co and btn 3bet 5% both, sb 3bets 8% and bb 3bets 4%, so we get squeezed roughly 22% of the time not taking into account our blockers to their 3b range.

Opening sizing also matters, I'd want to 3bet the top hands a higher % vs 2,5x and 2x, with very rarely flatting vs 2x.

I guess that's it for now, comments and thoughts welcome.

Some regs at 200z are 3betting 22-88 vs utg and mp minraises, both ip and oop. This seems really bad to me, since they're not pushing and equity edge by any means and have a profitable flat vs minraise in most situations. I guess they're worried about getting squeezed, but they're creating a situation where my continuing range >>>>> their 3betting range so I doubt it makes up for not getting squeezed. And they can always get cold4b. Then again when someone does this when he's closing action from bb there is literally no benefit.
Only viable option I could see if 3bettor thinks he has such an edge on opener that he chooses these hands to isolate.

Any thoughts?