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That makes sense! Thanks
April 15, 2020 | 7:18 p.m.
Hello crazyriver . the text that i write was confuse. I already change a little bit.. my bad. The ev of flatting is already given by my solver calculations . Of course it's not the exact number, it's just an example to use. My question is more about the formula used on the bottom assuming those values are correct. But of course we can discuss other things too
April 14, 2020 | 10:07 p.m.
Hello guys!
I tried to calculate EV of 4bet/folding with a specific hand (QTs) to choose the best action to take between flatting3bet or 4bet/fold
Let's consider this scenario:
Hero Open's 3bbs from the BTN with QTs and BB 3bet's 12 bbs.
I want to calculate if the EV of 4bet/fold QTs is better than flatting vs 3bet
Call3betsize=9 bbs
4betsize=27 bbs
Let's assume the next variables are correct:
In theory Villain's MDF vs 4bet should be >= 0,36 But actually his defense vs 4bet is = 0,55 (5bet shove =0,22 and 4betcall=0,33)
So Villain's Foldequity=0,45
Values calculated from Piosolver: (let's assume they are correct)
EV of Flatting QTs vs villain 3betrange =9,29 =>EVProfit=+0,29=>ROI%=3,2%
EV of 4bet QTs when Villain's call our 4bet (excluding foldequity preflop) = 21,25=>EVProfit=-5,75=>ROI%=-21,32%
Calculations:
Now i want to do the math of our EVProfit when we 4betFold including the Fold equity of the villain , so i use this formula:
(W%Potbefore4bet)+(L%)((4betcall%EVProfitwhen4betcall)+(5betshove%(-4betsize)))=
=(0,4515,5)+(0,55)((0,33-5,75)+(0,22(-27)))=+2,54=>ROI%=9,43%
Conclusion:
4betFold=9,43%
Flat vs 3bet = 3,2%
4betFold ROI > Flat ROI
My question is if this is the right formula and the right way to make this calculations . Thanks in advance !
April 14, 2020 | 6:47 p.m.
Hello!
Great video Steve Paul.
Im a little bit stuck in 4bet defense. So lets see this situation:
I open 2.5x villain 3bets 9bbs with freq of 16% and MDF from a 4bet of 60% . So for what i understand from the math of your video he should defended with 60%*16%=9.6% so we need 50% of equity to 4b call a 5b jam ( TT+,AQs+,AQo+ ) against this 9.6% range. Is this right?
Another thing is whats the math behind to build my 4bet range(bluffs,value) and call a 3bets?
I know that i have to defend some pretty hands against a 16% villain 3bets, 4bet some hands with blockers but i dont understand the math to know the frequency that i should do this.
Hey there! Yes i agree with that. If you get EQR and equity you get the EV. Piosolver gives EQR values for each hand but of course you need to insert the correct inputs and do it for several flops to get an average number. I wanted to use those values plus Fold equity prelfop from the villain on my bottom formula because PIO don't get in consideration fold equity preflop. But i wasn't sure if formula was correct!
April 15, 2020 | 7:30 p.m.