Sro238
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I hearted the video before watching. <3 <3 <3
8:30 not being results oriented, was rooting for a check on the flop and a little sad to see you bet call it. I love checking back bottom two pair on wet flops! The "good things happen when I check and bad things happen when I bet" logic can be extended, albeit to a lesser degree, here as well IMO.
10:00 you 2/3 pot bet river after flopping trips check calling, check check so far. I think this sizing is too big! Part of the problem with X/C OTF is you're trying to extract river value from an optimistic Ace, many of which can fold to that sizing. With this hand I do very much like X/C OTF, but OTR I think we could bet 1/3 pot with missed spades for bluffs, AQ+ for value/blocking, and trips for uber-value/triplerangemerginglikeaboss.
25:00 are you ever X/R monotone flops as bluff? What SPR would you want to have a higher X/R frequency with a T high flush? What's the worst flush you would check raise for value here? After calling flop seems like a great spot to bet river, especially given blockers.
Looking forward to everyone's thoughts on the above hands.
Thanks for a truly incredible, inspiring series.
Aug. 25, 2014 | 11:04 p.m.
The real question is what will you make the most money at, while having a negligable risk of ruin. If you loose less than half your winrate moving up, it's more profitable
Aug. 19, 2014 | 4:03 a.m.
should have already moved up imo. especially with that winrate
Aug. 19, 2014 | 3:30 a.m.
epic series. can't wait for HU
Aug. 18, 2014 | 7:01 p.m.
Aug. 12, 2014 | 9:40 a.m.
Do we have any PLO MTT experts in the RIO community? I think you could have been even tighter preflop in many spots. Folding to a 3b at 31:00 with JT97ss seems dirty and unimaginable, but given SPR is 1 OTF, calling seems wayyy spewy to me. We just have to call off our stack with marginal equity vs a dominating range that realizes >100% of its equity by potting 100% of flops. Its My instinct(which could very well be wrong) makes me think that we should be considering ICM more heavily and probably lean more towards just potting pre the shorter we get with a tighter range that we wont fold to a 3b as often - finding more fold equity. Yea we want to win, but it's such a huge success when our opponents are getting it in against each other, I think you could consider just folding J9T7ss preflop, from the HJ with your stack - or am I ubernitting?
I would be folding A992ds OTB at 55:00 wanting to avoid the exact situation we found ourselves in. Isn't flipping for tons of equity a pretty big and unavoidable(unless we fold) mistake when we are flatting with fairly shallow stacks in a game where hand equities run so close and each player has a lot to gain by making the other fold? Sure we have to run g00t and win the flips when we do find ourselves in them to win the tournament, but everyone else at the table is stoked for us to flip. Seems like the pros of flatting are outweighed by ICM cons.
Nash works for NLH because of fold equity. Because we cant just jam and exercise our FE, I would argue ICM just translates into PLO by folding preflop more for people that have shorter stacks than their opponents. I dunno, I could be very wrong.
Aug. 11, 2014 | 9:54 p.m.
Phew! Survived all that check-folding in the beginning. Really enjoyed this approach to a video. Lotta content condensed into one topic. Thanks, Phil.
Aug. 4, 2014 | 6:07 p.m.
would love to just see a video breaking down a few hands with Odds Oracle
July 31, 2014 | 8:18 a.m.
Not sure how to help, as the question is kinda vague. If you feel like you are folding the best hand too much at 6max, you might want to consider playing HU some times, to get more comfortable defending blinds etc.
July 27, 2014 | 8:38 p.m.
What about checking the flop with AKK2hh at 19:00? I may very well be thinking results oriented, but it seems like a viable play that would provide a lot of balance to our flop checking range, as well as never having to face a check raise. Granted, we do have the best hand a very large percentage of the time as stated, but some times I think it is great to check flops with hands that are high up in range, but dont want to see a check raise, and dont have much nut potential on the turn or river. Also, Given our hand, sure it's great to bet for protection to just take it down, but it doesn't need protection against all that much.
July 23, 2014 | 10:15 p.m.
appreciate your live vids the most, ty.
July 23, 2014 | 5:30 a.m.
If your range to continue in this hand only has flushes in it on the turn, I would think you are way overfolding. So fold is out IMO, leaving call or raise. Don't see any point in raising, gotta be a call!
July 22, 2014 | 12:17 a.m.
Hi guys, I'm expanding a study group that was created on RIO a little while ago. All are welcome, but we play mostly HU. Message me, or post your skype name here and I'll add you.
Cheers
July 21, 2014 | 10:01 p.m.
Unless it's already been done I think the community as a whole would really benefit from a series that just shows how to use Odds Oracle efficiently. Also, need... moar... HUPLO!
July 20, 2014 | 7:28 p.m.
fun format, maybe a few more hands in the next one would be great
July 18, 2014 | 9:51 p.m.
Faaaantastic Vid. Keep em comin!
July 16, 2014 | 6:18 p.m.
If your perceived range is polar, wouldn't that make jamming for 2.5 pot bad unless your range is really, really air heavy? And even then... we have better hands to call with, and just because villain could be bluffing with a decent amount of hands with zero showdown value on the turn doesn't mean that we should auto-include them into villains turn jamming range. QJd, QTd, 8Td, JTd, 68d are the most obvious examples, but even those wont all be just shoved all the time... and that's only 5 combos. I don't think many people are just going to jam with say, Q2d, or JdTc. If you have some reason to think that villain is really out of line here then I guess we can justify a call, but we're giving the villain a lot of credit to be able to make a pretty advanced play in which we are calling off with one pair when our opponent is overbet jamming against our polar overbet. Seems like a stretch vs most.
July 16, 2014 | 6:36 a.m.
I was sifting through some hands on HSDB and stumbled across an hand that our very own Mr Lefort recently played. The hand is standard on the surface, but villain's turn sizing is really interesting to me.
http://www.highstakesdb.com/view-hand-history.aspx?GameID=1666694#.U8DOSLGootU
Villain elects to bet 1/4 pot when he boats the board pairing turn on a T262 rainbow board. This makes me think he is splitting his turn range into two different betsizes, one small 1/4 pot, and one big, 3/4 pot. I have traditionally just been sticking to one size on this turn, but seeing this hand made me wonder if it's better to have multiple bet sizes.
My first reaction was, it's going to be pretty difficult to balance two bet sizes, but doable. If we(no122 in this hand) split our betting range on the turn into two sizes, it may be more +EV than having one size. I am wresting with OO trying to figure out how often we have certain hands, but it would be great if someone could run the numbers also since I might be doing something incorrectly. I gave us 80% pre, maybe this should be higher/lower depending how often you limp or fold. Here's the turn histogram,
Hmmm Histogram doesn't seem to like being copy/pasted here...
Raw Data:
Pair 28.6%
Two Pair 58%
Trips 6.3%
Hull House 6.8%
Quads 0.2%
JJ+ 14%
JT-AT 19.5%
T6 5%
66, TT 1.5% each
T2, 62 1.75% each
^^^Not super confident in my OO abilities, if someone could just run it really quickly giving 80% on Th2s6c2d board to double check. Above is the Turn breakdown I came up with.
So yea, it looks like most of our betting range is going to consist of top pair/over pairs. My thinking is that we just have these hands so often that it might be best to split our hand range into two sizes. What do you think these sizes should be? I am thinking 1/4 pot and 4/5 pot.
Bet Big Range
Quads(huzzah!)
Boats, TT, T2. My thinking is that we want to keep as many top pair hands in villains range when we are betting small, so I would put TT, T2 into bet big. Thoughts?
Trips: Dont really know how to divide trips up into bet big/small. My instinct is to bet big with most trips, especially trips with overs, but I dunno.
Two Pair:none
Overpair: AAxx. This is definitely up for debate. Maybe some but not all AA and KK combos is better? My thinking is that we want to bet big with some value hands on the turn that we will be checking back on the river. Also, we have to have some over pair combos in our bet big range, otherwise we cant balance our bet small range and are left playing guessing games on the river when we face raises.
Tens: Hmmmm.... I guess we want to have most of our tens in our bet small range?
Air: We need to be bluffing some rivers, certainly. 789 and some times a naked 6 or 7 that we have the option of turning into bluffs seem like the best candidates to me.
Bet Small Range
Quads: none
Boats: 66, 62.
Trips: ?
Two Pair: T6
Overpair:JJ, QQ and some KK seem like the most ideal candidates, could be persuaded otherwise.
Tens: JT+? Open to suggestions
Air: What are other good air hands to bluff?
Thanks in advance
July 12, 2014 | 4:40 p.m.
9:30 What about a smallish, 40% pot river bet? I am a little confused to your sizing on the turn as well.
July 8, 2014 | 12:12 a.m.
June 13, 2014 | 6:28 p.m.
Why do you think stars.us would be a bad idea? US players are the nut low...
June 13, 2014 | 6:14 p.m.
Exciting news, but realistically nothing is changing any time soon as far as poker in the US. Perhaps Stars/Amaya will be able to enter CA before EOTY, but that is optimistic to say the least. As far as rest of the US, it will still take a significant amount of time before anything actually changes. Also, Stars has not been sold, but have agreed to sell. It is scheduled to happen on September 30th, and who knows how long after that it will take before some legislation happens.
June 13, 2014 | 6:13 p.m.
Awesome series, Barewire. I do think the zoom format made it a bit difficult to focus in on some points, since there is a lot happening at any given moment(diff tendencies, frequencies(diff opponents)). Never the less, this is my favorite HUNL series so far. When watching RIO vids I dont often learn something completely new to my game, and that happened multiple times throughout the series. It probably was the zoom format that helped this, as you were able to cover a very wide array of concepts. So yea, I don't know if I love the zoom format or not, but I do love your vids! Stoked for the next.
June 7, 2014 | 5:06 a.m.
Really awesome video with tons of great content. I created a thread to discuss theory behind donking board pairing turns. Would be great to get some discussion from Kevin, as well as all the RIO folks who watched and might be curious about the play. I learn something completely new so far in each of your videos, looking forward to part 2.
May 13, 2014 | 11:13 p.m.
Hey guys,
Donking the turn when the board pairs after check calling the flop in 2b pots is something that I have been trying to incorporate into my game. It's somewhat new to me, and the basic behind it is fairly foreign to me. In his recent 4 table HUNL 5/10 Zoom video, Kevin Rabichow briefly discusses some of the reasons why he chooses to donk 1/4 pot with most of his range here. I wanted to create this thread to discuss the play(pros and cons) as well as 1/4 pot sizing.
It would be great if we could just start with the basics and then work up. I suppose by donking board pairing turns we are saying that it is a better card for our check calling range than villains c-betting range. Again, please bear with me here - trying to conceptualize this. I understand that we will have more pairs in our range after we call the flop, but doesn't donking increase reverse implied odds in spots where we would be facing a bet bet bet line? Lets say flop is K73 rainbow. We check, villain c-bets 2/3 pot, we call. Turn pairs the 3, and we donk 1/4 pot. Kevin, am I understanding that this is a preferred line from you? It seems really easy for villain to just raise and apply tons of pressure to us here with both value and Ace high, gutshots, and just float. Unless we are flatting with some of our stronger top pair hands(AQ, AK, KQ) pre, how do we balance this?
May 13, 2014 | 11:09 p.m.
I would also suggest a video that strictly talks about board texture in 3b pots, that would be quite helpful as well.
May 10, 2014 | 4:38 p.m.
+1 a 4bpot video or two as aggressor and caller would both be great
I'm not 100% convinced that c-betting flop is even best. +1 to villain should be raise bluffing us on the flop some times. In 3 bet pots on paired boards I like to cbet higher pairs as we can represent those more credibly(88-AA) and check low boards(22-77). 7 being right in the middle, I think we should probably bet it some times, and check it some times. It's a spot where if I am villain and I think the 3bettor is auto-cbetting too much will look to raise bluff with hands that dont have much showdown value but can get there like gutters with a backdoor flush draw.
If we do elect to cbet, which is probably fine as we do have a lot of raw fold equity and our hand does need protection, I think our sizing should go down a touch. This is a pretty big lockdown board, and the more lockdowny the board, the less we need to bet me thinks. 2/5 pot sounds about right.
Oct. 25, 2014 | 1:42 p.m.