Mike87
15 points
Well I think it depends. If villain is capped, then you can use such a strategy
Jan. 11, 2014 | 3:42 p.m.
You should watch Lefort's series 6 max concepts, I think that would give you a really good starting point.
Jan. 5, 2014 | 3:25 p.m.
Thanks a lot for the long post, I watched the videos of Lefort regarding blinds defense and I didn't think about using it for 4bet situations like this. I think a lot of people 4bet too much IP and I'll definitely flat more hands in this spot.
I'm still unsure about how I should go about a small 5betting strategy, it's tough to not give villain the odds he needs without committing us to the pot (obv changes when we're deeper).
Jan. 3, 2014 | 9:48 p.m.
I was listening to a video Ike made for the Team Online week, and I had a question regarding how to build ranges from a theoretical point of view, as Ike seems to be going through this type of play mostly when he plays.
BTN opens and SB (hero) 3bets with AJo. Flop is J65r. Ike mentions that the plan is to bet 3 streets for value unless the board runs bad. He says that his range will be polarized to bet the flop, and he will most likely just give up when he checks the turn, otherwise continuing to value bet with his stronger hands and bluff some hands as well.
He says that he would check hands like TT on the flop almost always, so he's implying that he will go for a c/c with a part of his range, but he doesn't go into more details.
I am familiar with how to play a polarized range against a bluff catching range in theory when we bet 3 streets and remove bluffs on each street, but the thing that I find difficult is how to build my c/calling range. Should I c/c with hands that can't go for 3 streets against villain's felting range and just c/c with them, folding a % of my range on each street based on pot odds, OR should I try to put strong hands in my checking range to avoid having a capped range, which would lower my cbet % and almost my bluffing frequency.
Any help is greatly appreciated.
Jan. 2, 2014 | 10:49 p.m.
In today's games, every sizing preflop his smaller, and I find it tough to find the best strategy to adjust to small 4bets when I'm OOP.
Let's say BTN min-r, I 3bet to 7bb and he 4bets to 15bb. Shoving 100bb with a 30% equity hand against his stacking off range means that I need 58.9% FE to breakeven. I prefer shoving against bigger 4bets, because it needs to work less often (let's say a squeeze spot which makes the 4bet be 23bb+).
But against a small 4bet, should I design my ranges to be able to flat accordingly? If so, do I need to mostly flat all my continuing range to not be capped? Or is it better to have a small 5betting range that will allow villain to see a flop with all of his range given the odds we will lay him?
If I go for the option of flatting mostly all my continuing range, do I need to be depolarized from the BB as well? Or just reducing the numbers of bluffs I have and stay polarized? I normally 3bet depolarized from the SB and polarized from the BB.
Thanks!
Jan. 2, 2014 | 5:37 p.m.
Robster, if I remember correctly there was 2 players that learned to play recently using this program and they did BE at 500nl. I don't know the sample. I won't give the link for that as it's on another training site and I don't know the policy here. But the pros on that training site seemed to be worried and that information came from one of them (about the guys BE at 500).
I agree with most of the stuff you're saying in your posts tho. After reading all those good players being so worried about the future, I was a bit sad, but now I refocused on what's important, working hard and improving.
GL at the tables.
June 20, 2013 | 8:49 p.m.
I think this program has to be taken seriously.. It seems like it can BE on zoom 500 already. If it's really the case, then I think that if the program is getting better, it really is a question of time (a year or two) before NLHE is dead.
Obviously I don't know anything about this program and it's just my random opinion. Maybe it's time to learn PLO?
June 19, 2013 | 6:19 p.m.
June 17, 2013 | 2:04 p.m.
Nice post GT. I don't understand the meaning of the last part where you say that by raising bigger than $40 on the turn, we get called more often, after saying that we should not be vbetting the river. Do you mean that giving better odds to villain on the river will widen his bluff catching range which will give us more than 50% equity against his calling range?
June 17, 2013 | 1:30 a.m.
Yes you're completely right, it amazes me how easy it is and I didn't get it at first lol
June 10, 2013 | 11:13 p.m.
I just thought that'd be a spot where, in villain's shoes, bluffing would be good with a blocker and it's a particular spot that happens rarely, so again it's tough for the opponent to come to a right decision. I would personnaly give credit to almost anyone and given you think the same about most opponents I believe it's this kind of play that almost nobody's doing but we should at least think about it.
Thanks for answering! and nice video
June 10, 2013 | 8:58 p.m.
No, this is fuzzy thinking -- go through it more carefully, and you can
see that if Villain began only betting this river for value, it would
not increase his EV. His value hands have the same EV since they still
bet and still get called the same amount. And his air hands have the
same EV when they just give up since Hero was calling the right amount
to make them indifferent between bluffing and just giving up in the
first place. So, overall, Villain's EV does not change.
I agree on the part that the value hands have the same EV. But the caller will only face bets with hands that beat him, and he shouldn't call at all if an adjustment is made (it will no longer be GTO tho).
Villain would increase his EV imo, since instead of betting some of his bluffs and getting called half the time, he checks all of them which represents 0EV. He gains EV in his overall betting range since he gets value from his value range and never get caught bluffing with his bluffs.
June 10, 2013 | 8:46 p.m.
At 21:50 with JTs, can you explain why you choose this bet sizing and what's your plan on the turn if he only calls on the flop? The pot will be 270 with 370 behind. And I'd like to know what you would do on J, K, A turn as well.
Thanks
June 10, 2013 | 6:26 p.m.
At 10:30 with K9dd
In villain's shoes, what do you think about a shove when holding a blocker like 5x. You would c/r a certain % of your sets on the flop, and if we have blockers to some of them (let's assume we hold 5x), then you're left with 2 combos of PP that are boats/quads, and 2 others combos of A9s, for a total of 4 combos. You would c/r (imo) around 50% of the time with A9/55/99, so it cuts out to 2 actual combos that will call the river shove.
You have more 9x combos that c/r and fold. On top of that you hold miss draws that will c/r sometimes as bluff. I'm curious about what you think about that.
June 10, 2013 | 6:01 p.m.
I have read the thread and I thank you all for the interesting discussion.
I have some questions.
First, if I understand this right, playing GTO means that you'll never change your strategy based on opponent's tendencies, and it will be impossible to show a profit playing against someone that plays perfect GTO.
Then, I want to refer to bigfiszh example about the river play, but let's change something. There's one person playing GTO, and that's the one facing the river bet, with a bluff catching range, against villain's polarized range.
This means that the person playing GTO will call the river bet 50% of the time. But let's say villain decides to never bluff the river and only valuebet, how can we not change our strategy and be unexploitable? Villain could play GTO in all the other areas and only vbet this river for value and his change in strategy would now give him and edge over the other person.
This brings another question for me, that might answer the last one: Is there any range stronger than the opponent's range in GTO, at any time in a hand, if we suppose both players are playing perfectly against each other? If there is no polarized vs. bluff catching range on the river, then there is no problem anymore.
Thanks
June 10, 2013 | 5:33 p.m.
I think there's random hands in his range as well. A fish could take this line with A7 that c/c flop and doesn't know what to do on the turn when facing that second barrel. He might have lost a stack in the last 5 mins and be tilted.
I agree that the river bet really looks for value, but at the same time we have some great odds and I see fish do random things.
As far as raising river, I think it's my worst option since I would not give credit to the fish for being able to make those folds, at least not often enough to justify it being a +EV play, especially without information.
June 3, 2013 | 12:10 a.m.
SB: $56
BB: $117.01
UTG: $77.31
HJ: $49.50
CO: $116.88 (Hero)
UTG folds, HJ folds, Hero raises to $2.50, BN folds, SB folds, BB calls $1.50
May 31, 2013 | 7:39 p.m.
I'd like to have your thoughts about the use of this software as it takes a long time to work with it for each single situation. Do you think focusing on it will be more beneficial compared to other ways of studying the game (HH reviews, watching videos, etc.)
Thanks and nice video.
May 27, 2013 | 5:40 p.m.
But you're right I can't exploit someone when I have no info on him, I guess that's the easiest answer.
April 27, 2013 | 5:40 a.m.
Obviously playing optimal poker is really tough, but from a theoretical approach, what's the best way to play the game in a spot like that?
April 26, 2013 | 2:03 a.m.
April 14, 2013 | 4:13 p.m.
It would be fun if other people that are reading the book/did read the book in the past would participate in the thread creating discussions/asking questions, etc. Sauce said this "Just don't take the book as the gospel, there are problems with it..". I think that's interesting and I'd like to know more about it once I finish reading after grasping more about the theory that's explained in there.
I've started to read Part 2 Exploitive play, and I have 2 questions.
First on page 51:
"There is just $75 in the pot. Now AK bets $30. B should call if his chance of winning the pot is greater than 30/105, or 28.5%."
Isn't it supposed to be 30/135 = 22.2%?
And they have this statement that I think, reinforce the calculation:
"In made hands vs. draw situations, the draws usually calls if it has positive equity in the pot after calling and subtracting the amount of the call", which suggest this isn't an error?
Second question on page 52:
Example 4.4
= p(A or K)() + p(other)()
= (4/41)(0) + (41/45)(8.18)
Why not 4/45?
Thanks!
April 14, 2013 | 2:07 p.m.
March 23, 2013 | 3:23 a.m.
March 11, 2013 | 5:21 a.m.
SB: $112.28 (Hero)
BB: $147.32
UTG: $131.90
HJ: $76.99
CO: $111.54
UTG folds, HJ folds, CO folds, BN folds, Hero raises to $2.50, BB calls $1.50
March 10, 2013 | 8 p.m.
You also seem to use different 3bet sizing, care to elaborate?
Thanks and good video.
Feb. 28, 2013 | 10:08 p.m.
Feb. 14, 2013 | 5:39 a.m.
The times we bet, he raises and we fold is accounted for the same thing as if we bet and he calls with QQ.
Feb. 14, 2013 | 5:36 a.m.
When we do opt for that option, we also give him a chance to raise bluff miss draws, which is another consideration. We obv can't b/call river.
First, I think what you should look into is to try to resolve your tilt issues. When you notice what are your symptons when going on tilt, you can find different ways to fight through it, like taking deep breaths and sitting out of the tables for a few minutes, reminding yourself stuff that will help you to combat tilt, like "Variance in poker is inevitable, I need to learn to play in those circumstances", etc.
There is also a reason why you tilt in the first place. I suggest you to read Mental game of poker, it helped me a lot to improve my tilt issues and everything is really well explained.
Good luck
Jan. 14, 2014 | 6:11 a.m.