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Phil,

what range do you bet the flop with which does not want to fire the turn? I mean as you said your 3betting range is strong in this spot for the most part, besides Aces, right?

Your sizing on that drawheavy flop is on the smaller side, do you really expect Jeans to fold anything for such a price and so much money behind to play for? What is your reasoning for betting so small? Is that standard with such deep stacks or do you choose different betsizes with different parts of your range?

I guess you want to check all of your draws, which are not good enough to get it in and see a river and bet call obvious value hands as well as strong draws. I don't even know what type of hands you want to bet-fold here. By that I mean there is just no fold equity in general on such a dynamic turn card with so much money left to play for, unless you want to be potting the turn? As Jeans pre and flop calling range shouldn't be too wide and splashy?

Lets assume he does 3bet some of his AA/KK but not all of them. First we need numburs on this. But lets say he does c/c the flop and lead the river for pot. IF you are raising this river, what do you expect him to call you with. Especially if he is pretty much capped to QQ at best? Also why would you check back turn instead of barreling to raise the river as a bluff?

I have a hard time understanding how you are trying to rep a bluff on the river, in order to make him call?`Of course depending on how good he is, I assume he should be fairly good, he can clearly rep 5x better than you and I would think he does have 5x way more often than AA in this spot, given he plays every hand pre, which includes every 5xxx combo. That said he also has a lot of 5xxx which he peels the flop instead of raising to balance his range.

I noticed that too, but am not good enough in math to figure out he was grimming this way. I highly doubt it's harrington, more like boobysmiles, maybe they are account sharing together. Would make sense based on their characters.

I actually just thought he was hit and running the tables when he doubles up. Because at 25/50 he also sometimes played for a long time at the same table and would only change it if he busts or doubles up.

Ben, why no PLO? I will have to watch this video even though I don't play NL anymore, will pick up concepts useful for PLO anyway I think.

Or, do you plan doing any vids besides NL? Maybe 2-7 TD? Mixed Games?

The problem is Phil and Oddsen. Even though Oddsen cannot really lead his conversations as well and all that.

I don't think there is much you really need to improve, people always expect so much nowadays. Keep up the great job man! I do think the Dangs need to improve their vids more though.

Seems like it is much more important to actually figure out on which flops we can still get it in where we flop very marginal. I.e. 2 bdfd and gutter or something. Also given people 4bet much wider than AAxx today its important to understand which hands should be a 3b/fold preflop.

Thank you very much Ben. Too bad I am really bad at using numbers. How good was poker back then when everyone played based on feel :)

Guys,

I think all the math is great but can anyone confirm based on normal thought process without including math that exactly what Lucas Greenwood said?

I mean preflop vs Phils strong opening range this looks speculative at best. Unless we can outplay him postflop very well it seems like a breaking even play at best. Now on the turn c/shoving here to basically make phil fold his bluffs is what it looks like to me.

I just wanna make sure I ain't missing something!

Fantastic video, keep up the great work. I really had to laugh when you started to search for the hand in the end :)

Do we ever check this turn? Are we betting this turn always to get him off weak hands and because our 3bet range hits this board so hard? Why don't we bet bigger to protect?

I guess there is a crucial difference between this and 7T2Jhhss boards?

Oddsen,

can you explain your thoughts for your preflop decision with the K556ds. To me it seems like opening this hand from MP is already a mistake, especially deep. Now when BTN calls and the SB/BB 3bets this deep, as you explained his range is super strong. And as you said the BTN will come a long every time OR cold 4bet. So you will be forced to fold preflop after calling the 3bet, I guess overcalling 4bet is very spewy right? Now for postflop, even on the flop you hit there your range multiway vs assuming overpair+FD and all that isn't all that great.

However, what do you do on all the other flops? I mean if you flop two pair on KT6 with your K655, you cannot really continue this deep with someone behind you if he pots, right? Or if you flop trip K, your kicker hurts your equity if you get action.

Phil,

how does your gameplan change vs more passive players who don't c/r the flop as often? How does your gameplan change from HU to 6m?
Can you compare the benefits of checking back to raise turn vs barreling vs different type of players?

I've got a question regarding river if we get called on the turn. What's our plan on which rivers? I assume we are checking when the flush comes in to let him bluff as well as ship his flush in anyway. Are there any specific cards we are c/f the river?

Awesome vid as always. I really enjoy it when you get very much into detail explaining everything very deeply. Keep up the great work Phil and best wishes for 2013!

You really need to explain more of what you are doing and WHY! The first hh replayer vid your brother (?) did was great. This one is useless because the PLO play back then was like NL 2002. I also had trouble understanding first couple minutes because the audio was bad, maybe just bad heatset or micro.

Di, I am pretty sure you are very very good at math, because that is what I notice whenever we play at the same table. Can you please make a math related vid for PLO. Ranges, PPT, etc

Hey Phil,

sorry if the question has been asked already..first hand, you shove the river, what are you repping for value? Any merit in checking back with Q high for showdownvalue? Does Jungle ever check the river to let you bluff?

edit:

interesting would be that spot where you had AQKx and flop came QKT, turn 9. villain is short there so not much we can do on turn, does your plan ever change if you are deeper, calling - leading paired boards on the river? Maybe c/c turn and deciding the river?

deep analysis of hands which are difficlut to play on turn/river. Similar to what your brother did in his first vid. I think you played a lot of CAP games, would like to see some math analysis on hands in CAP games which you 4bet shove or ESPECIALLY hands you choose to play in multiway pots and how you figure out your equity.

Thanks