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Regarding the PPT talk at the end, you mention implied odds of hitting and you almost never get paid by a flush and not always on a ten but in your rough calculation you don't take into account that you're always stacking yourself on the 3s and 9s which negates the implied odds you mention. I think the river call was pretty poor as well. It seemed you analyzed it correctly and still came up with the wrong play. He's not going to try to fold you off a flush and he's not calling worse so x/f. A frustrating spot for every 5c player.

I don't understand betting the turn. There are no draws he's c/r'ing otf. Are you protecting against like AQ7x? Q7 seems like an awfully weird hand to have in his position. check turn, decide river.

BTN: $14.89 (148.9 bb) - Whale, playing 90% of hands but not really relevant

Nothing could be farther from the truth. Let's ignore our specific hand for the moment. We're always going to be oop against this guy. Position in PLO is king! So much more so than in holdem, you have to look behind you to see what hands are going to be profitable to open and which are not.

I keep getting into spots where I'm honestly just not sure what to do and this is one of them.

Here is a piece of advice that will make you lots of money by not losing so much money with hands like the one you posted. Don't play nonnut hands when you're sure to be playing 1) multiway and 2) oop. AJT9 w/o a nut suit is not a nutty hand. It's total trash UTG, even in a passive game. I'd argue ESPECIALLY in a l/p game because you'll need to sd more nutty hands than not.

Flop, turn, and river are fine if you call river. Of course he's going to have JJ or a SF sometimes but a lot of the time he's trying to charge your nfd with a worse boat or the same boat. 77 is a fold and 97 is pretty close and probably a fold.

We don't have that much equity vs. a hand that c/r's so I'm fine bet/folding here and we can barrel some turns.

Yes, it was straight up bad. Blocker stuff aside, he's a rec player so he's going to see a ton of money in the pot without having to call that much. He's calling $38.55 to win $121.75. tbh I don't think many people are folding for that price.

(100bb eff. stacks talk). I see very vague and short arguments on 3betting from blinds. Some day i will regret saying stuff i am saying, but i just cant let it go,because my eyes are bleeding and burning. 3bet percentage depends on the opener's RFI%.This is kind of too obvious and logical for me, yet everytime i see talks about this topic, i feel like many people dont get it. the more he is opening, the more i should be 3betting (more hands with equity edge against wider range), even from BB..

You don't see that because it's implied that you're against a regular and most regulars' ranges don't vary that drastically otb. OP obviously isn't talking about fighting with fish. Everyone realizes you should 3-bet more against people who open more so you can push some equity. I for one am sorry about making your eyes burn and having to just have your douchey expertise come itt and set the record straight. Thank you, almighty one for gracing us with your presence.

edit: on second thought, I'm going to disregard everything you said since according to a thread, you're actually losing money.

http://www.runitonce.com/plo/2-graphs-for-lil-analysis/

But yeah, bad posts make your eyes burn because you're a god at PLO.

3-betting too much in the blinds is a much bigger mistake in PLO than it is in NLHE. You need to find a good range. If you 3-bet the range in the blinds that you should otb, you're going to be in huge trouble.

i'd like to know what that assumption is based upon. I play 5PLO, if i am aware I would have thought 25PLO players would be.

PLL, as far as I can deduce, he's saying that he's raising different amounts based on the position he's in, not the cards he's dealt. That's completely standard for every stake.

What is more I am Donk-Folding 54% with is too high because of my strong donk bet range. I have read that this should be between 25 and 40%.

Stop looking for perfect stats. Play situations. You should donk in situations where the flop supports your range and not your opponent(s) when you have a monster or can't profitably c/c but don't want to fold (gutshots, pair+overs w/bd draws, etc..).

The video that Ben's mentioning is:
http://www.runitonce.com/poker-training/videos/transitioning-to-plo/?learn-path=plo§ion=Transitioning%20from%20NLHE%20to%20PLO

http://www.propokertools.com/orderings/oh6maxordering.txt

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"JT86 is a decent hand, but again suitedness makes the difference from an easy UTG open to semi standard CO open imo "
I'd open this doublesuited from everywhere and MP but only singlesuited is saved for cutoff/button. Against some nits in the blinds, I'd open it if it were rainbow.

You want much more of a leading range in PLO in comparison with NLHE.

Wow, it is so nice to see you here, Tom. A month or so ago, I got the yearly Cardrunners membership solely for your 12 parter. Still have getting your book in pieces in the back of my mind. Can't wait to watch this video!!! Welcome, Tom.

I really don't like the 3-bet because it's a hand that you can just flat depending on the blinds and/or reads on opener. Choose hands that don't play well multiway like JT85ss or something. I'd just bet flop. If he c/r's we don't care because we're probably drawing dead and if he calls he's unlikely to bluff later and we have outs if he doesn't have a flush. To put it in an easy and popular term, we're at the bottom of our range that couldn't care less if we have to fold but checking is conceding the pot. Our 7 is certainly not sdv.

17 hands is literally nothing. He must've 3-bet once or twice. I'd fold but am curious of others responses.

Been a long time since updating. I haven't played much due to my aforementioned health issues. Money didn't clear until today so I can go grab a laptop. At this point, I'm just waiting until Black Friday to get it.

I did play a couple hundred $30 SNGs and broke even. Over my last 600 SNGs I've broken even. I realized that and then theorized that I'd been doing well at PLO because my roll has been getting bigger. I didn't have a PLO tracker and I got it earlier today. These are my results so far:

http://i.imgur.com/FsHTdds.jpg

I guess that's what happens when you watch just about every Galfond PLO video since the beginning of BFP. I'm running way over ev but I'd have been happy with just running at ev.

So needless to say, I'm sticking with PLO. I've made so many mistakes in these hands so I think I can do even better. I think my preflop game is kind of shit but PLO is a postflop game. I think I'm way too tight in some spots and too loose in some spots. I could easily be looser preflop because I think my edge postflop is significant at these microstakes games.

I do have a big obstacle to overcome. I'm scared to lose so it's hard for me to actually go play. Once I get to the tables though, I play fearlessly. I watch lots of inspirational videos on YT to try to get over this. Lately I've been on a kick of watching tons of Floyd Mayweather vids. Something that really resonated with me was to be obsessed with what I'm focusing on so I'm constantly watching videos, reviewing hands, reading a book I got (Mastering Pot-Limit Omaha: The Modern Aggressive Approach. Very good book. Have read it 3 times already), and finally, playing.

People just aren't bluffing giving their opponents 6.5:1 often enough to call. It's the nuts 99% of the time. It's a spot where you're just going to bleed money.

These replies always make me laugh. Your note will say: "He repped the nuts. He had the nuts.".

It's not terrible if you're never good. He's never good here.

Betting turn is a mistake. Calling turn is a big mistake. Calling $12 to win $66 (after rake) when we're ~7:1 dog isn't good.

Not sure how rivers play at other sites, but at Bovada, he has < a flush here around < 10% of the time, maybe ~5% of the time. As you said, it looks like value as Acxxx would bet ~$8+.

Turn is an easy fold. Not sure why you feel priced in. You have 21% vs KKxx/AAxx/Ace-high hearts without a pair/sd. You're absolutely crushed (13%) vs. a hand like A789 w/hearts.

You're more likely to prove your "worst case scenario". Good luck either way.

I get the impression people hold stuff back to. In reality, it's probably just that Phil is better at relating the underlying concepts that he's employing in hands. Some people can play at an elite level and be subpar teachers. I've watched a few on here where people say "I'm going to bet xxx" or "I'm going to call here" but don't explain it (when it isn't an obvious spot). It's pretty disappointing tbh...especially in PLO videos where there are more variables than NLHE.

Your HUD makes this impossible for me to watch.

At ~28:00 you play AxKdQd9y and check behind a fd and spike ott. You call a bet and then fold to a half pot bet otr when it pairs. I don't understand this as he's repping one hand ott and then a different hand otr unless he has the nfd. This just seems like a spot we have to call. Our perceived range is incredibly weak especially if this opponent thinks you'll fire the nfd way more often than not. He almost never has a boat. As you said, he could just have the lone Ad.

Hey Phil, great video. I'd watched your HU series vs. Lrslzk before this and you mentioned you were playing especially tough. I realized in this video you were being passive and a couple of minutes later you said you noticed the same. All that to say I'm really looking forward to a theory video on it. Please make it happen.

This. Fist pump shoving this flop because you really don't need that much equity in this spot. Change the 6 to a 7 and I think I'd c/f.

Flop is a clear check because you have so many cards that can improve your equity. Getting c/r'ed on the flop is a disaster contrary to your belief. A 3/8/5/heart/club/4 and to a lesser degree, a 7, and to a much much lesser degree a 10.

"So are you guys folding or calling then? I think calling gets us in awkward postflop spots since our hand is not going to flop enough nutted draws, so you just fold?"
This hand is so much prettier than it looks especially 1) being in the cutoff and 2) facing an MP raise.