like, dislike or whateva?
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like, dislike or whateva?
villain plays 47/30 with a 11% 3b in 5max games. ive never really played him heads up before. his 3b is 13% vs me bb btn in 5max, so im guessing itll be somewhere between 15-25% heads up (as my btn-raise will go from somewhere in the 50s to the 80s).
great flop, but were not doing great vs the strongest hands/draws obv. my default is to call here ip. he cbets 57% as the 3bettor oop in SH-games. bet-fold 1/4. cbets 67% ip and bet-fold 2/2.
i was thinking that it might be nice to have this in my raising range (vs some i will prob play a lot vs in the future), i obv wont be happy gii but i will if he jams. we can def fold out better hands (mainly Kx/AA even if he has a gs) but i dunno if i like raising big so he may peel fold that which is fine.
do you like a raise, or a raise of a particular size or do you dislike raising and think that calling is the only way to go or is it whatever? do you think the only clear benefit of raising is that we will have a less face up range on turn+rivers when draws complete?
some stats: villain will match hand range Kss,AAss,AssK,KJ,KK,JJ about 27% of the time. he will have a better made hand about 50% of the time (so a better hand but no draw weak draw about 25% of the time)
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any input would be helpful
call
I'm not quite sure if we would have much FE on this board after he c-bets. You said AA and Kx might fold, but some of those hands are either a) strong enough to bet/call or bet/3b, or b) would have check/called on the flop otherwise. Barring some exceptions, the hands that bet/fold on this board won't have much equity at all against our hand.
That said, I would still have a raising range on this flop; mostly JJ+ and sometimes KJ, nutty draws that can stand some heat, etc. However, in general, I believe this is a board where he will have a significant range advantage, and thus I wouldn't be too carried away with having a wide raising range. FYI, against $3b15o range our ~100%$nt range has only 38% equity; against his c-betting range, we might have even less.
So yeah, as played I'd just call and see the turn. :)
ok thx guys, guess my creative side was feeling hand cuffed that day. in his shoes its annoying to play vs some1 that raises hands like QQT+fd here if he cbets a lot. but i guess this guy doesnt fit in there, and his range is probably pretty polarized so a raise doesnt do much very often.
i personally like a raise here i think you have much more fold equity in the hand then others are saying and even if you have to get it in you generally arent in that bad of shape
this villain is unusually pot-controlly and has a very polarized cb range. he defends his checks more than most, and his betting range is either complete air/very weak hands/draws or very strong hands and draws. so vs this particular opponent, i think, even tho ppl over estimate perhaps how often he has a strong hand that he will RR ai with (and even then our eq is ok) this guy is a better candidate to flat i think.
Yeah I think the more polarized he is the less attractive it is to raise a hand like this, because he will mostly have nutty hands that have us in bad shape (our flush draw being dominated is obviously the biggest concerns), or air hands that we crush.
Against most players peeling is better imo, your blockers will come in handy the times you are beat and against the weaker Kx part of his range you still have good playability. Also, adding too many value raising hands shouldn't be a priority this deep.
my main question was actually, imagine your villain cbetting a tight and polarized range. check-folding your air, x-calling with pair+GS etc, it cant be a comfortable spot to get raised when you hold anything but top2+ or NFD+GS and even then you might only be able to call the raise. and if i raise small, he doesnt really know whether he needs to improve or not.
i just think its really tought to play oop in 3b pots deep vs players who raises small with a wide range (but not so wide that any tp+OE or pair+FD becomes a snap RR ai) bc he may not have implied with his NN draws, and even reverse implied. when he has a nut draw combo, shoving in his shoes may be better than calling to hit and if he calls and misses his main draw, he may x-fold the best hand when the board pairs etc etc.
if you wanna play like that (raise small with a wider range the the average "either im calling or im potting with top2+/NFD-combos) should our hand go into a range like that?
for the ppl who say no to that, what draws would you raise?
and at what point would the ppl who said call, start raising? like how wide does he have to 3b/cb for you to come over to the raising camp w/ hotkahuna?
Raising wider for value with such type of hand could be ok at 100bb, but here it seems like a waste of the hands potential. There are plenty of random gutters/weaker fd's and weak pairs that could go into your plan of raising flop (if you are stubborn on having a wide raising range here). I agree that it's really tough to play against this, but tough to play and playing the most +EV are often different things.
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