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20PLO 3 barrel bluff in 3b pot v a fish

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20PLO 3 barrel bluff in 3b pot v a fish

CO: 34.26
BN: 20 (Hero)
SB: 19.40
BB: 51.54
UTG: 55.39
HJ: 23.69
Preflop (0.30) (6 Players)
Hero was dealt 7 9 T 6
UTG raises to 0.70, HJ folds, CO calls 0.70, Hero raises to 3.10, SB folds, BB folds, UTG calls 2.40, CO folds
Raise 1st 84%, positionally unaware, fold to 3bet 0%, 4bet 0%.
Flop (7.20) 6 Q A (2 Players)
UTG checks, Hero bets 3.20, UTG calls 3.20
Flop c/r 0% so i need to keep all the strong hands in. Fold to cbet 48%. So:

MP>, PR+BFD, GD>
Turn (13.60) K (2 Players)
UTG checks, Hero bets 2.20, UTG calls 2.20
I expect him to call very light v this small bet (maybe 100%). But lets use 3 ranges: tight T1 loose T2 and T3=100%.
T1 = FD, TP>, TP+OE>
T2 = FD, MP>, PR+GD>
T3 = *
River (18) 2 (2 Players)
UTG checks, Hero bets 11.50, UTG calls 11.50

Again lets give him 2 calling ranges:

R1 = 2PR_23> (KQ or better) 

R2 = TP> (A433 or better) 

for T1,R1:

ev = 0.63*(-$11.5) + 0.37*($18) = -$7.5 + $6.2 = -$1.3 = -6.5 bb

for T1,R2:

ev = 0.91*(-$11.5) + 0.09*($18) = -$10.4 + $1.62 = -$8.8 = -44bb

Conclusion 1: when he has a reasonably tight turn pealing range river bluff is from significantly -ev to spew.

for T2,R1:

ev = 0.536*(-$11.5)+0.464*($18) = -$6.1 + $8.3 = $2.2 = 11bb

for T2,R2:

ev = 0.8*(-$11.5)+0.2*($18) = -$9.2 + $3.6 = -$5.6 = -28bb

Conclusion 2: when he has a loose turn pealing range river bluff varies from +11bb to -28bb depending on his calling range.

for T3,R1:

ev = 0.486*(-11.5)+0.514*(18) = -5.6 + 9.3 = 18bb

for T3,R2:

ev = 0.745*-11.5+0.255*18 = -8.5+4.6 = -$3.9 = -19.5bb

Conclusion 3: when he has 100% calling range on the turn river bluff is +ev

In the best case i win 18bb with this play. For that to happen he needs to call turn with a 100% of his range from flop and call river with only KQ or better.

In the worst case i lose 44bb with this play when he calls turn with only flushdraws, top pair or better, top pair + oesd or better and calls river with A433 or better.

I personally would weight probabilities for ranges as follows:

T1-20%,T2-40%,T3-40%

R1-50%,R2-50%

EV = 0.2*0.5*(-6.5bb)+0.2*0.5*(-44bb)+0.4*0.5*(11bb)+0.4*0.5*(-28bb)+0.4*0.5*(18bb)+0.4*0.5*(-19.5bb) = -0.65-4.4+2.2-5.6+3.6-3.9 = -8.8bb

Even if you weight in favor of tight river call R1-60%,R2-40%

EV = -0.78-3.52+2.6-4.5+4.3-3.1 = -5bb

Conclusion 4: Play is -ev given the assumptions.

Question: if i am v a better player on the river in a similar spot how many air/blocker type hands i can bluff with?

Lets look at my range.

Lets say i would 3bet 10% on the button and would cbet this flop 100%:

Lets say i want to be aggressive on the turn since my range is very strong on this board.

T1 = 2PR>, FD, OE>, TP+GD>

Then on the river i bet for value: 2PR_13>

As a bluff TP<<

And check *-(2PR_13>, TP<<)

Lets say a villain's range in this spot:

pre: 25%-$4B7

flop: TP+(GD>, 2BFD), 2PR>

turn: (2PR+GD>, TP+FD, 2PR_13>)-ST

and on the river he calls with: 2PR_13> (82%) and folds the rest (18%)

ev = 0.89*0.82*0.8*($18) + 0.89*0.82*0.2*(-$11.5) + 0.89*0.18*($18) + 0.11*0.1*($18) = $10.5-$1.67+$2.88+$0.2 = $12.1 = 60bb

What if i never bluff?

ev = 0.87*0.82*0.82*($18)+0.87*0.82*0.18*(-$11.5)+0.87*0.18*($18)+0.13*0.07*($18)= 10.5-1.4+2.8+0.16 = $6.67 = 33.5bb

What if we bet our entire range?

ev = 1*0.82*0.71*($18)+1*0.82*0.29*(-$11.5)+1*0.18*($18) = 10.4-2.7+3.2 = 10.9 = 54.5bb

Conclusion:

1. Betting AQ> for value and bluffing every hand that is worse than top pair show positive expectation.

2. Betting entire range is better than never bluffing

3. I have very little air in this spot so i can bluff with it 100% of the time.


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ZenFish 11 years, 5 months ago

My qualitative take on the situation:

Once you bet flop and get called, shut down and hope to show down your equity on the river. Villain is extremely loose (based on the PF stat you provide), and continuing on the T+R with small bluffs is counterproductive (you're not pushing him out, you're luring him in).


Tom Coldwell 11 years, 5 months ago

I'm not a huge fan of this 3-bet. You aren't gonna thin the field often w/ the drooler UTG (he'll price CO in basically always*), it's tough to believe you're really pushing an equity edge with this, you re-open the betting for those times someone happens to be super strong, and you reduce the SPR which, by extension, reduces your positional advantage. Flat the button and play the hand imo.

*I'm aware CO folded, but the statement should hold true the VAST majority of the time.


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