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$100 plo zoom, planning ahead on J42r Q board

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$100 plo zoom, planning ahead on J42r Q board

BN: $97.50
SB: $100 (Hero)
BB: $105.74
UTG: $200.97
HJ: $355.05
CO: $113.97
Preflop ($1.50) (6 Players)
Hero was dealt 6 A K J
UTG folds, HJ folds, CO raises to $2, BN folds, Hero calls $1.50, BB calls $1
I just started my session and this is the first hand, hence no HUD stats on anyone. CO is a Brazilian player, BB I haven't checked.

I usually 3bet this pre from SB, but is flatting wrong?
Flop ($6.00) 4 J 2 (3 Players)
Hero checks, BB checks, CO bets $4, Hero raises to $13, BB folds, CO calls $9
I decided to make a move here on a dry board. I have some backup (2 overs and backdoor NF) if called, but this is a board I would expect CO to bet ~100% of his range, and when I x/r in a 3-way pot my range is gonna look strong so he should fold a reasonable amount of time.

To my dismay, CO quickly calls, which makes me think he probably doesn't have JJ or 44 very often.
Turn ($32.00) 4 J 2 Q (2 Players)
Hero bets $22

Here's where it gets interesting imo.

First off, in retrospect I probably should have gone with a bigger sizing, given how many draws this turn card brought.  My original plan was to pot/fold but that seemed a bit dirty, so I opted to go for $22/fold but that might be a mistake.  

Now, as for whether to bluff this turn or not:

I think villain will fold naked J4/J2 here quite often, and 42 almost always if he didn't on flop already.  

(J4, J2)!(JJ, 44, 22, QJ, 53, 63, A3, A5) = 6306 combos

(I ruled out 42 because I think he would have folded that on flop, but if we include this our bluffing becomes even more profitable.)

He will certainly call with all wraps:

A53 = 1776 combos (AJ53, A543, A532 he might 3bet on flop but these are 384 combos)

653 = 1776 combos (likewise, he might 3bet on flop with J653, 6543, 6532)

AKJT = 72 combos

KJT9 = 96 combos

JT98 = 128 combos

AJT9 = 96 combos

Total = 3800 combos

He will call/shove with QJ or better: 

KQJ, AQJ, QJT, JJ, 44, 22 = 7918 combos

Now, if we can assume he is always folding naked J4 and J2, and continuing otherwise, we will get a fold about 34% of the time (=6306/18024).  When we bet $22 into $34 it has to work about 39% of the time, so we're not quite getting the odds, but there's a few factors that will make up for it:

- Because I expect him to shove or fold all better made hands on turn (folding J4- and jamming QJ+, for example), when we get called I think we will have the best made hand quite often. 

- When behind, we can still improve sometimes: T will give us the nuts (except Ts), J is probably a good one too, K and 6 might too.

That said, what do you think about flop/turn play?  Does my range estimation seem reasonable?

And more importantly, what's our plans for river if he calls?  My plan was to jam on T, jam or x/c on J, x/f on 6/5/3, bluff on Q/4/2, and quite unclear on other river cards.

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midori 11 years, 4 months ago

I gave it some thoughts and realised I shouldn't hit this board often at all with my SB preflop flatting range, but I still thought CO is gonna bet/fold often enough that x/r bluffing can be profitable.  I might be wrong here.

Tom Coldwell 11 years, 4 months ago

I don't really understand this check/raise at all. You're not getting called by worse often, you're not folding out better, you're not protecting against a common draw, you're just randomly putting extra money in. What the heck is your plan if you get 3-bet? Call off somewhere between behind and screwed or fold TPTK, some straight potential, and two bdfds on a dry board? As it's Zoom, it's not even like you can develop a great dynamic of being the guy everyone is scared of.

I would have just played a small pot with a hand that performs very well in small pots. Donking out would also have been fine given we don't want this to check through and there are lots of turns where we improve substantially.

midori 11 years, 4 months ago

Yeah, in retrospect I don't really like my x/r.  I mean he might be folding often, but those are hands I beat anyway.  Not to mention that we can't really rep a strong range by x/r'ing here, namely sets and mayyybe some wrap and that's it.

As played though, how would you play different rivers when he flats our turn bet?  Especially on A, K, J river?

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