Very loose two five game
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Very loose two five game
I am fairly new to serious thought about NLHE, and am reading a lot about the kind of games that are seen in most legal casinos.
However I live near a casino which seems to have unusually loose games.
For example preflop raises of 6x-8x often get at least two callers.
And if you bird dog well enough you can usually find a table where there is a player seeing more than 75% of the flops (often for a raise, and then usually seeing the turn as well).
It seems to me that almost any bluffing does not work in this game with the chronic flop and turner, and that even if I raise only with Ace Jack or higher, as well as pair of sevens or better, than I am often left with a poor hand by the turn.
What am I not understanding?
What is the optimum strategy against someone who is almost always continuing to the turn with any two cards?
What is the optimum strategy when this person almost never raises? What is the optimum strategy when this person raises about half the time (whether they have a decent hand or not)?
What is the optimum strategy against a table with multiple opponents who call your preflop raises (usually two, sometimes three, and once in a while four)?
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Bet for thin value until you get raised then fold (The mantra for crushing bad passive players/games). These are the easiest games to beat as you almost never need to make tough decisions. If you are card dead it can be frustrating and you may find yourself trying to force action. This is something you want to avoid as you will bleed chips trying to iso too light with hands that won't play well post flop. You can get away with doing normally exploitable stuff like limping a wider range late position profitably as you can easily bloat the pot with reckless abandon when you yahtzee a flop stacking people who overplay their mediocore hands.
Also balancing isn't something you won't have to worry about in games like these and you will want to play in an exploitative manner. Usually this means greatly toning down your bluffing frequency (sometimes to almost non existent levels at times).
To sum it up you lose the ability to make +EV plays with bluffs, but gain +EV in the fact you can get value super light.
Totally agree with Poopdollar, also you have to remember that in a live game players would usually peel flop with a much wider range than turn and river thus taking a bet/fold line with ALL value hands is the most profitable.
I also like limping with all small/mid pp from EP/mid positions because in a single raised pot rec/casual will have a hard time folding over pairs when you smash a set.
So if I dont pair either of my high cards is Ace king or ace Queen, possibly ace jack a value bet on the turn against one loose caller?
Too general of a question. Specifics matter.
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