QT gets cr on drawy tun by frequent Checkraisor. HUNL 1k vs reg

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QT gets cr on drawy tun by frequent Checkraisor. HUNL 1k vs reg

I was playing a reg for a few hundred hands. We played few k hands prior. He is a former bumhunter who is trying to take a stand at party. He is generally straightforward. opens 100, 3bet 17, 70 oop to minraise, flop cr 5 turn cr 20 ish lately (its a move he heavily incorporated into his game since he saw me folding decent amount in past). He saw me call light a few times in recent history

here are 2 relevant hands before the hand in quetion:

http://weaktight.com/5354759
http://weaktight.com/5354734
http://weaktight.com/5354730

hand in question:
http://weaktight.com/5354738

Question is obvious but i would also like to know if checking tun vs regular turn craisor makes sense and what ranges do u in check turn with to avoid tough spots (if it should be avoided at all)

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Bill 12 years, 2 months ago
Might be a stupid question but how are you not calling river once you call turn?
roba59 12 years, 2 months ago
Not a stupid question. My first instinct is to call but once he saw me caling light and shiping draws it got me thinking. Wasnt sure if he is good enough to pay atention to such stuff (most regs at 1k should be tho).
Saša Zorc 12 years, 2 months ago
Your hand is obv stronger vs his range on the river then it was on the turn, but one piece of key information is missing:
How often does he give up on the river with his bluffs? If rarely then river is a clear call.
hurricane562 12 years, 2 months ago
this hand reminds me of the legendary galfond series "philosophy" where phil talks about how to adjust against a superagressive flopraisingrange.
here we are at the turn and i think there is merit to fold to his turnraise, if you think he is at the point where hes only raising the turn for value. if not, click call call...
the adjustment you have to do though, is to valuebet rivers superlight, when he only called the turn, so id b/f a lot of turn, but when he only calls, you have to bet all rivers hard...
after that it might be reasonable to check back some flops with good hands or hands with backdoor/barrel-potential...
btw id bet my whole turnrange smaller...
Sean Lefort 12 years, 2 months ago
Your hand likely isn't going to get 3 streets of value here very often so I'm opting to chk the turn against described villain/dynamic and have a much more polarized turn CB range.

As played, I'm clicking call. I expect him to be more likely to CR flop with 54.. if he's got Q2s or he slowplayed a set/2pr on that flop, he gets my money. Keep in mind that yes, he's seen you do some funky things against his new turn CR-strategy and that he'll realize you're weighted heavily towards hands with at least some showdown value.. but you're still pretty high up in that range in a situation where I don't think there's any reason to believe he's going to be exploitatively value-heavy with his bet.
allwind 12 years, 2 months ago
After he was caught bluffing, how did he react to this?
How you guys playing big hands with each other?

Regardless, as played, I call.
DirtyD 12 years, 2 months ago
My standard would certainly be to bet the turn as well. I was influenced by some Alan Jackson videos where he advocated value betting turns very thinly to avoid giving free cards/free equity (not that this is all that thin). Apparently his database analysis indicated that playing turns too timidly was very costly for a lot of players. I'm not sure what sort of turn aggression, if any, would make me check here. Against someone who plays turns too passively you certainly want to bet for value. Against someone who bluffs turns way too much you want to bet to get more money in the pot ahead of their range. Maybe against someone who slow-plays nutted on the flop a lot and check-raises a balanced range on the turn it would be a good idea to start checking back a hand like this. I'm not sure.

After calling turn it looks like you have showdown value and the river is pretty innocuous. I think there are basically two ways people will see the river: "He's not going to fold when both flush draws miss, I'll just give up..." or "I've come this far, might as well stick the rest in and hope he folds..." Given that he followed through with his bluffs in the previous hands you posted, I would expect you to be good easily often enough to make a call profitable.

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