NL5 BB def
Posted by DedoMassivo
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DedoMassivo
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NL5 BB def
Blinds: $0.02/$0.05 (6 Players)
BN: $5.00
SB: $5.48
BB: $6.30 (Hero)
UTG: $6.98
MP: $5.10
CO: $7.50
SB: $5.48
BB: $6.30 (Hero)
UTG: $6.98
MP: $5.10
CO: $7.50
Preflop
($0.07)
Hero is BB with
3
K
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I don't have any particular reads on this opponent, I have only 14 samples in my HUD with a VPIP and PFR of 29 so I'm assuming a +/- standard range from a raise from the CO, meaning:
[22+, A2s+, K9s+, QTs+, J9s+, T9s, 98s, 87s, 76s, A9o+, KTo+, QJo] - 21%
[22+, A2s+, K9s+, QTs+, J9s+, T9s, 98s, 87s, 76s, A9o+, KTo+, QJo] - 21%
Flop
($0.32)
9
9
8
, ,
On this flop, as I'm analyzing this off table now I think a better line could have been check-raising. This is because villain should be betting here with a somewhat polarized range since, although the connectedness is not enormous, it does hit my range better as I have many more 9xs, 8xs, Txs, 67s, 88 as well as any suited holding that might have called PF. By just calling I am capping my range quite a lot because I would probably be raising 9x, TT, 88 and I would be 3betting JJ+ and big broadways PF (KQs, AQo, AJs+).
I think at the time my reasoning was to try to have a cheap turn (which I realize is not that cheap by its bet sizing). The Villain as its range uncapped because he bets his Acx (although we block the clubs), he can have any overpair, 9x, JTs(o), QTs, KJ, QJ. He checks back most of his medium/low showdown value hands such as 22-77, A8.
I think at the time my reasoning was to try to have a cheap turn (which I realize is not that cheap by its bet sizing). The Villain as its range uncapped because he bets his Acx (although we block the clubs), he can have any overpair, 9x, JTs(o), QTs, KJ, QJ. He checks back most of his medium/low showdown value hands such as 22-77, A8.
Turn
($0.72)
9
9
8
6
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The turn here is a card that hits my range better than his, I get there with my 66, 96, T7s, 75s and it misses most of his range. I check with the intent of check-raising (as I should probably have done on the flop), trying to kick basically every over card he has. The problem with this line VS check raising the flop is that it is much more expensive, It's much harder to bet again in the river, and I'm already with my range capped, meaning that my bets on the river, on most runouts won't be as credible. My bet sizing is probably a bit too little here as well
River
($3.42)
9
9
8
6
Q
,
The overbet here was with the intent of applying maximum pressure, representing trips, a boat that I was slowplaying, or JT that completed the straight there. I won't be putting the result here because I want you guys not to be influenced by the runout.
This is my first post here on RIO, hello everyone!
Summary:
Analyzing this off-table I realized that my line was not very good and that a better line would be to check-raise on the flop right away, thus applying pressure in earlier stages (allowing me to continue doing so in later streets) while also balancing my check-raise range on the flop, where I raise as a bluff my flush/straight draws, leaving the villain uncomfortable with most of his range, while also raising my big hands for value.
Cheers!
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Fold pre.
Preflop I'm folding against a 3x open from CO. On this flop when he opens 3x I'm not sure that you have 9x advantage because you shouldnt have 9xo in your range. As played otf I like calling when he goes for a polar size and maybe x/r better draws, you cant x/r every club draw. Ott I'm calling again, we can still be in front of some of his draws. As played I'm gonna x/r for a bigger size. Otr I think you have to shove, to fold some Axcc,JJ,TT,76cc, you block KK,KQcc.
DedoMassivo Welcome to the forums!!!!
Preflop, easy defend. Probably defending every Kx suite in some way, with K3s being a pure call. Calling most, if not all Qx suited as well. Zero problem with preflop, even in high rake environment.
Flop-Seems fine. We have some club/club (76cc, T7cc, JTcc, QTcc) combos that make better raises. Paired flops can be problematic so x/r more polar here would be good. I am thinking the club/club combo draws, the 9x, etc. This feels a bit too merged to x/r. Unpaired flop, we can probably represent more, thus we can x/r more.
Turn-I would just check/call looking to check/decide rivers.
River-As played, I am just done. You have shown a ton of strength here and you block the type of stuff we want to fold (club draws, he has less of them since you have the Kc and 3c).
-Yes I believe that this hand should be check-raised most of the time OTF.
-For the times you don't check-raise OTF you could also lead/blockbet small OTT for 25-33% pot and call a raise. And the more I think about leading/blocking turn the more I like it.
-I don't think that check/raising OTT is optimal but by any means it is certainly not bad. Against villain's turn bet-sizing a check-call and check/raise are probably close to 0 EV. If villain sizes up any more then your hand becomes a check-fold.
-OTR I think that readless any line other than a check-fold is -EV. Out of all bet-sizes you could have chosen, the overbet all-in is probably the worst option.
This is basic preflop defense vs 2.5x so vs 3bb would trim some of the fat around the edges but K3s still a call. Drop some of the JXs and QXs or some off suite hands.
Flop is basically 52% call / 48% raise so flip a coin. Either is fine.
Turn is actually a great card for the BB. You can mix in some donk bets here (block bet size) if you want. As played turn is 65% fold and 35% XR. Would go bigger than 3x though and then basically only shove river if you improve.
River basically 50/50 on shove or XF. I prefer XF because as HawksWin stated you unblock everything you want to fold here.
Overall, mix in some donk bets into your game for small sizing with these type of draws and some nutted hands as well when board favors your range. Then don't chase too much with naked draws. I think you raise on the turn was fine but much more prefer a hand like Kc5c that has the added gutter to it. Probably folding naked draw.
Thanks everybody for the comments! I think, as some of you pointed, Kxs is a call but it only becomes profitable if you actually play it well post-flop. The main takeaways I get from you guys is, in summary, to play these draws a bit more carefully, for instance:
OTF - as RunItTw1ce mentioned, although GTO may state that a call and a raise are mostly 50/50, I think most of the players at this pool deal quite badly with aggression, especially when they haven't any made hand, which is usually the case on a flop like this, so I still think that a XR on the flop would gain better EV than a call;
OTT - the XR is one of those that I feel like when I'm not able to kick Villain away the SPR on the river will be so low that I will feel compelled to shove OTR with basically everything I XR OTT, K3s being one of those cards. Uncomfortable but with that amount of dead money I felt I had to go all the way, I am definitely blocking some of the hands Villain could fold there but I didn't feel that was enough to leave so much dead money uncontested. As played I would raise to perhaps a bit more, but on the other hand leaves me even with a worse SPR on OTR;
OTR - As I stated before, I felt committed to the pot and that the hand had already been played out until then, meaning that if there were losses to be mitigated, they should have been so on earlier streets. I went for the shove in the hope that Villain didn't show a strong hand.
This is one of those lines that are -EV on the short and on the long run.
I'll be posting more hands here for sure, the feedback is super useful!
Seems like you want to be right both turn and river. If you want FE on the turn raise needs to be bigger which creates a lower SPR. Then on the river you state so much dead money to give up but you already narrowed opponents range considerably. So the money is far from dead money. I think you have to choose FE on the turn or river. Where call-call-donk jam? Or XR flop or turn and give up river. The lower SPR should make you shove less as a bluff and more when you have value. Sounded like you felt jamming low SPR was mandatory. Meta game this jam will favor you in the future when you have value though. Opponent will remember this jam.
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