NL25 One of those weird 5-flush boards
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NL25 One of those weird 5-flush boards
BN: $33.48
SB: $25
BB: $11.03
UTG: $26.93
HJ: $29.77
CO: $25 (Hero)
SB: $25
BB: $11.03
UTG: $26.93
HJ: $29.77
CO: $25 (Hero)
Preflop
($0.35)
(6 Players)
Hero was dealt
6
A
UTG folds, HJ folds, Hero raises to $0.62, BN calls $0.62, SB folds, BB folds
UTG folds, HJ folds, Hero raises to $0.62, BN calls $0.62, SB folds, BB folds
Flop
($1.59)
9
4
A
(2 Players)
Hero bets $0.90,
BN calls $0.90
So on the monotone flop I assume I get a ton of calls from hands with one heart in them so have clear value. I'm not sure that that makes it clearly better to bet for value than checking though. It isn't clear to me that I have two streets of value here though and checking the turn in a pot twice as big while out of position and with a gazillion hands with one heart getting to realize their equity and possibly bluff me off the pot seems pretty gross.
Don't know, interested to hear what people think about this spot. It seems like a very odd board rangewise because something like a third of the time I'm guess over 60% of the caller's flop calling range is going to end up being a flush on the river, and a lot of my flop betting range will too.
Don't know, interested to hear what people think about this spot. It seems like a very odd board rangewise because something like a third of the time I'm guess over 60% of the caller's flop calling range is going to end up being a flush on the river, and a lot of my flop betting range will too.
Turn
($3.39)
9
4
A
3
(2 Players)
Hero checks,
BN checks
c/f'ing but happy to see showdown if it happens somehow. Using this hand to bluff now seems bad since I'm blocking a lot of his folding range.
River
($3.39)
9
4
A
3
5
(2 Players)
Hero checks,
BN bets $1.62,
Hero folds
I just have to c/f here and he has to bet all his range, right? This was the interesting spot because of how the math changes when the chance to chop is introduced. Am I actually the person who is meant to bet a ton because I get the first shot at it? It's hard for me to have a big heart but not impossible, I have definitely aspired to be like Tony G in the past and checking the Qh or Jh seems fine on the turn to me and I probably have every 2h in my range still.
Final Pot
BN
wins $3.24
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X/C flop. I don't think it's true that you need protection. You got a top pair with a worthless kicker. You are forced to check sooner or later cuz our hand is too weak and have hard time improving. So I def think it works better as a bluffcatcher. And you should most likely check hands like QhQx, KhKx, JhJx, AxTh etc so you will have a flush when it runs out 4 or 5 hearts. Since a flushdraw is pretty much what you "need protection" vs, you will still be protected and do fine. Since the board is quite try in general and we got top pair we will very rarely get sucked out vs something other which didn't got us beat otf.
You got to have to have some top pairs in your checking range otf, since you most likely got A2s+ and like ATo+ why not start checking the bad ones?
Yeah this seems like a good solution. So I could cbet something like A4, A9, AJ+ most with no heart but maybe throw 30% of my big heart aces in with the cbets and then c/c all my other aces and mostly be playing a hand with a heart in it to try to realize its equity against all my opponent's non-hearts and stopping him from bluffing those hands off with my wide defending range of all my A2s+ and ATo with hearts.
If we're doing this what sort of bluffing range do we have to go with our value? Also are we betting something like TT no heart for protection here ever? x/c'ing TT with a heart?
We each have surprisingly few flushes right now because of the Ah blocking all our suited aces so it looks like I'm meant to be able to valuebet all the way down to ~AQ for three streets on two bricks. Also he has a ton of hands with almost no equity like JTss, so protecting isn't really that important as long as we're defending our checking range enough. So yeah, looking at the math what you're saying seems really sensible.
If you start checking all of your weak Ax your c/c range becomes too weak and centered around weak Ax and allows your opponent to play accordingly unless you start c/c'ing more and more of your strong hands as well.
Ch/c flop seems good, with no outs I am OK with letting the hand go after he double barrels.
Agree with the first 2 posts. x/c the flop here.
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