77 multiway pot.
Posted by KatonBond
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77 multiway pot.
Blinds: $0.02/$0.05 (6 Players)
BN: $10.80
SB: $2.55
BB: $8.26 (Hero)
UTG: $9.13
MP: $13.65
CO: $5.24
SB: $2.55
BB: $8.26 (Hero)
UTG: $9.13
MP: $13.65
CO: $5.24
Preflop
($0.07)
Hero is BB with
7
7
, , , ,
UTG is 22/17/4 over 60 hands and opens 57%(4/7) from UTG.
Flop
($0.60)
7
9
5
, , , ,
I feel like this is flop that will get checked around sometimes which would be a disaster so at the time I felt like I needed to lead. As I think about it now, I feel UTG will have lots of over pairs and flush draws he will bet and in which I could go for the x/r which is probably the superior option. But if UTG has 2 broadways even with backdoor hearts or diamonds I feel he would check. I'm curious how often UTG or MP will check this board however which is my main question OTF.
Turn
($1.48)
7
9
5
7
,
As played, I think checking here is good because if UTG has a flush draw I would want him to stab here or maybe if he has a overpair he will bet here sometimes but I think overpair might raise flop? Also if he did bet I think I would just call hoping he hits his flush OTR? Or do I hope he's betting his overpair and go for x/r now?
River
($1.48)
7
9
5
7
2
,
As played I felt like I should've checked here again to go for x/r because he's going to bet his overpair on this safe river and if he missed his flush draw I feel he would try and bluff me off hands like JT, 56s, T8s, etc.
Overall I feel like I played this hand very poorly. How often generally speaking will this flop texture get checked around? And as played should I have barrelled turn? Any feedback and criticism would be great.
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I like the multi way donk line, it is especially effective when weaker player are in the pot.
I think you should bet/bet tho, especially with stack depth.
this 57% UTG RFI goes to show you that sample size is king :D
Would you barrel off river as well I guess or try to go for x/r on some rivers?
He seems to show interest calling flop, I would just go with it.
Haha sounds good
Yep. Like the lead and rather bet big, bet big and bet big I don't think we could shove river but still make a 100bb profit.
Ah I see. Thanks for your feedback!
I think if I'm checking the turn in this spot it's going to be with 99 because then I block his TP combos.
Curious to hear what other hands you guys would be donking the flop with?
Hm I was checking turn hoping he'd bluff/catch up with a flush however I feel it was a bad line.
I think I would lead here with some strong combo draws and nut flush draws as bluffs, I'd probably lead some 2 pair if I had some for some reason and I'd lead with a straight if I had that for some reason as well.
Flop lead is good. I would keep betting on the turn, just because I don't want to give villain a chance to checkback turns and rivers with hands that we can get 3 streets value from. And it's not like villain will just barrel off his flushdraws everytime since your lead into 3 people looks pretty strong.
I agree with robinfromthehood, 99 would be a better hand to check since it blocks his weaker made hands (by checking we miss value from those, 99 blocks those so that's not that big of a concern with 99). Although I might just keep betting with that hand too.
Yeah I agree...
betting > checking with 99 > checking with 77
Ah I see. Thanks for your feedback!
Just keep valuebetting big oTT. Alternativly, I see myself x/raising river some of the time.
Ah I see. Thanks for your feedback!
Either keep betting from the turn onward or go for the river xr. I feel like for me I would be giving up with my bluffs on this specific turn a lot so I would lean more towards checking then going for a river xr to protect and balance my range that checks the turn. Betting 3 times is also fine and possibly higher EV.
The problem with your line is yeah he calls river with his pairs but he bets them otr anyway when checked to and he's going to be forced to bluff his draws otr which we don't allow him to do when we lead.
Ah yeah I agree all reasonable players would bet turn with most pairs. So you're saying if we check turn we should check river? That sounds good to me, would you go for a big sizing river x/r or standard 3-3.5x? And I'm curious as to if you were villain what range do you put me when I check turn?
I think we can go massive with a river xr since we are extremely polar to a boat or a missed draw. I'm not exactly sure how villain would interpret your check here. It depends on what he thinks of your donking range so it's hard for me to answer that. Boats and draws would come to mind if it were me, but it might not be uncommon for people at these stakes to be donking 9x, 88, etc. and interpret a donk as less polar than I would interpret it. It depends on what I know about your donking frequencies and how that affects your range in my eyes.
If villain puts you on an accurate, extremely polar range for donking the flop then you check to him twice, he really shouldn't be value betting anything on the river since your range is either folding or xr. He's still going to be forced to bluff his draws however, and with all that said, I don't think the average nl5 villain is going to: 1. Be thinking this in depth 2. Understand what your donking range is to such a degree that he doesn't value bet QQ otr.
Like I said before too we can just triple him, completely forgo balance and make this a lot easier. I'd expect that line to still be massive EV.
I think generally speaking a reasonable leading range on this board texture would be top 2, all sets, flush draws and strong combo draws and pair+gutters. Some villains will donk weak hands though I agree, I have no reads on this specific villain however so I think generally he will interpret my donk as weakish since there are many villains at these stakes that will have a weak donking range so he might just think that of me.
I agree that the best/easiest way to play this hand is to probably triple barrel, however I think at the time I wanted to get my stack in so that's why I checked the turn for the x/r however I think b/b/b is probably better.
Thanks for your feedback!
Gonna be a little devils advocate and ask if anyone would be x/r the flop? I definitely like leading but interested to hear people views on check raising the flop. I'm assuming it folds out a huge majority of hands that we have crushed but would like to hear your thoughts regardless
I don't think it necessarily folds anything out. Anything betting into 3 players generally has enough perceived equity to continue to one raise. It's more about not wanting the flop getting checked through since it is coordinated and original raiser may not be cbetting as liberally into 3 others. Usually calling ranges are wider than betting ranges in situations like this.
I agree with klamsauce and as I said in the OP I felt this was a flop that can get check around at a decent frequency. If I knew UTG has a strong opening range I could go x/r however I feel like on this texture a x/r is pretty strong. I'm not saying villains at this stake will fold TT+ OTT to a flop x/r and turn barrel however I feel strong villains can/will.
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