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50 NL Zoom - Trying to do math lol

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50 NL Zoom - Trying to do math lol

BN: $94.93
SB: $59.05 (Hero)
BB: $104.39
UTG: $73.62
HJ: $51.53
CO: $55.41
Preflop ($0.75) (6 Players)
Hero was dealt 7 K
UTG folds, HJ folds, CO folds, BN raises to $1.25, Hero raises to $4.50, BB calls $4, BN folds
BTN has a STL % of 78% from that position. BB is 33/17 but over meaningless sample.
Flop ($10.50) 2 3 5 (2 Players)
Hero bets $6.50, BB raises to $15, Hero raises to $54.55, and is all in

This is probably a very trivial spot. The last post I made and the responses I've got have encouraged me however to be way more analytical with my game and this is a start for me, so any help is highly appreciated. So far I have always gotten along well with just a lot of rule of thumb and being a "feel player" playing mostly tournaments, but I would love to expand my game and improve on my hand reading skills and my math.

So given that villain cold overcalled my 3bet pre, I am assuming his raising range here to be overpairs, sets, 44 for a Pair + OESD and A hi flush draws (and potentially QsJs, although that would be a very loose call pre, so I'm gonna öeave it out here). I would assume that he is going to abandon his weaker overpairs to my shove. So I would have his calling range as 22-66,JJ+,AsTs,AsJs,AsQs. Against this range my hand has ~39% equity. So I am already getting a pretty good price on my shove. So now my question is, how often villain needs to fold to make this shove profitable.

For the calculation I took a formula off this 2+2 thread http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/15/poker-theory/doing-equity-calculation-calculating-ev-turn-semi-bluff-300081/ . I can't claim to understand 100% why this formula is correct, but this kind of understanding has to develop over time for me, as this is far from my strong point. As for now I am just happy to have found a formula. :)

So what I came up with is this:

EV(shove) = 31.75x + (1-x)*(-48.05 + 0.39*116.85)
EV(shove) = x(31.75 + 2.4785) + (-2.4785)
EV(shove) = 34.2285x - 2.4785

34.2285x = 2.4785

X ~ 7.2%

So if villain folds ~7.2% of the time this shove is profitable. This would be easily achieved if he just lets go of a portion of his overpairs.

So please criticize away here and let me know where I am flawed as I am really trying to learn an aspect of the game here, that I used to ignore.

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Lewis Harkes 11 years, 2 months ago

the idea is that you take the weighted average of:a) your equity when he calls and b) you equity when he folds. If you have negative equity for the times he calls a shove, you will need him to fold to break-even / be profitable. The stronger his hand, the more fold equity you need.

 In your particular case, i think you have positive equity when your shove gets called.

Some assumptions generally need to be made, so here are mine:

his calling range includes all pairs between 22-JJ and excludes QQ+(i believe these would have 4bai given his aggression level). I also included AsTs,AsJs, QsTs,QsJs,JsTs,Ts9s - but removed AQs (likely 4bet).

Your hand has about 43.5% equity against this range, which means that you have positive equity when he calls b/c of the dead money (when he calls, you are risking the $48 you have left to win $118, so you need 40% equity).

A more straight-forward case to look at is something like this:

You're playing NL100 and only have $12 in the SB. Everyone folds to you and you have A2o. You know that if you shove, he'll call with: 22+,A2+,K5s+,KT+,Q9s+,QT+,JT+ (~ 25%).

Against this range, you lose about $1.60 when he calls, but gain $1.50 when he doesn't. Since he folds 3/4 of the time, you're going to make about $0.73 every hand in the long run.

The trick is always knowing what to assume. For example, if you assume he calls a wider range above, then on balance you won't make as much from his folds, but you won't lose as much from his calls (since the hands he adds weakens his calling range vs. A2o). I think a formula is tough - when you change one variable, you impact the second. This is why people talk about ranges and assumptions to run simulations (the math is straightforward if you have the numbers and assumptions right).

ProPokerTools is a good site to use - it's where i got these numbers from.

I hope this is helpful...

Lewis

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