$1-2 Hero Call on River?
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$1-2 Hero Call on River?
Been sitting with villain for about 1.5 hours, he seems competent. Hasn't shown down anything particularly noteworthy, he's up about 1 buy-in in that span. I start the hand in the cutoff with ~$240, villain is on the button and covers.
I get K J
, 2 limpers, I raise to $12, villain calls, limpers fold.
Guy is competent enough that he won't have called with totally unconnected garbage, or a monster like QQ, KK, AA or AK.
Flop ($31-3):
9 4
6
I continue for $15 thinking that he'll have missed that flop more often than not, and I'll win the pot. Villain thinks for a few seconds and calls. Because it's a relatively wet board and he just called, I think we can exclude sets and over pairs from villain's range here, at least most of the time. I also think he'd raise A9, but that's probably closer. I think he'd call with 35, 57, 78, 33, 55, 77, 88, A4, A6, Spades, and maybe float with just two over cards, though I think that's less likely. Obviously I think the OESD is less likely to have been called pre, but if he called pre flop with it, he'll definitely call (or raise) now that he's hit the flop.
Turn ($61-5):
9 4
6
A
Given the range that I put villain on above, I think the only way this hits his range is if he had A9, A4, A6, or floated me with A high. I haven't seen anything in the 90 minutes or so that I've been playing with him to indicate he would do that, but its possible. Seems like this will hit my range a lot more than his (I'm more likely to cbet A high than he is to call with it, I think). I also think that a bet here will fold out all the pocket pairs from his range above. So I decide to bet $25, and villain snap calls.
Because my line is now pretty strong-looking, I'd really expect him to have raised sets or two-pair hands looking to get it in before another spade hits. If he decided to flat the flop with an overpair like TT, JJ, or QQ, which I think is unlikely, I could also see him calling here, hoping to check behind on the river. Of course he would still be calling with his spade draws, or OESDs.
River ($111-5)
9 4
6
A
10
I'm interested in what people think I should do here. I decided to check, basically giving up after being called on both flop and turn. If he floated and turned an A, he'll never fold, if he slow played a set he'll probably jam, if he backed into a weird two pair (9T or AT) he'll probably jam. I have a hard time imagining him calling 2 streets with a worse made hand, so while he'd fold most of his non-A one pair hands, I don't think he can make it to this river with them anyway.
Villain takes about 15 seconds to think and bets $50.
Obviously my first instinct is "Oh, ****, guess I lose". But I started trying to figure out which hands in his range would call flop and turn, AND then feel comfortable betting river. I guess he'd do it with a set, but he's competent enough (I think) to have raised a set on flop or turn. Same feeling for A9. If he somehow made it to the river with 55, 77, or 88, I think he'd check behind to get a showdown. He might've rivered a set of tens, but I can't see him calling turn with that. And I guess he could've backed into AT, which would make sense, but require him to have floated the flop with basically nothing. And of course most of the draws he could've called flop and turn with have missed (except 78). Because I have the K, I have to be beating all his missed spades. And I only need to be right 1 time of 3 to be profitable.
I mean, I guess he could've somehow backdoored a flush, but I have a had time figuring out how he gets past flop with those hands (unless his OESD is suited in clubs). I guess if he decided to flat pre and flop with AA, he'd now bet for value, but that seems improbable. It seems insane, but I can't figure out a value hand that takes this line. Can I close my eyes and call here?
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Wow ... a bunch of guessing game going on in this hand. :)
First of all, the biggest problem I have with your (actual) hand is that it´s plainly bad range construction, you´re probably aware of that? All you actually do is considering Villain´s hand range and build your game around the expected fold equity. You don´t care about your own range - which means, you likely would´ve played QJhh the same way, correct?
This is no OFFENSE at all, I just want to point out that your frequencies obviously totally go out of the window in this spot. You´re waaaay too bluffheavy in this spot if you don´t pick your spots carefully ... and how certain are you that Villain didn´t already recognize that habit / tendency in your strategy?!
That said, look at your play in detail: flop is okay, you got overs, you got (weak) backdoor-flush- and (weak) backdoor-gutshot-draw (I love the term "backdoor-gutshot-draw :D), combined with a likely not-too-strong range for Villain and a bunch of fold equity on later streets.
Turn comes a good card for your range, but a bad card for your actual holding. There are numerous hands in your range (!) that could profitably continue bluffing on the Ac, like Kxcc, Qxcc, Jxcc, OESD and so on ... KJo just is too wide ... it didn´t gain ANY equity, you´re simply trying to capitalize on Villain´s fold equity, completely ignoring your own range. And then - THE BETSIZE!! Say, you had turned a pair of Aces (or better), would you actually offer your opponent > 3:1 on his call?! What are you actually repping? If you are so convinced that Villain´s range is weak, then for the sake of it - POT IT!! Likely with your entire range ... unless ... yeah, unless you planned on bombing the river because you set up the scene for further sweetening the pot and then finally take it down on the river. But nothing in your post (including your river action) points into that direction.
Getting to the river - meh, if at all, consider x/shoving, but please don´t call. Even though I can see what you´re up to, it´s just the result of a (in my eyes) badly constructed range - which leads you to make a desperate call which even could succeed, but overall it´s such a weird spot that I wouldn´t wager my money on it.
OK, again, no offense intended, just wanted to clearly point out, what I think about the line you took. Hope it doesn´t come around the wrong way. :)
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