zenpoker
11 points
on bovada, sorry about the format
4.40 tourney 74 entrants
Blinds 600/1200 120 ante
Stacks:
BTN(me): 19463
SB(22/9/0): 31,240
BB(31/29/9): 58137
Dealt to Hero: As9s
I open to 2400
SB ships 31240
BB folds
Hero ?
These two players were playing pretty tight throughout the FT. I was being a little looser once it got to 3 handed, so I dunno if SB was deciding to be tricky. Payouts were 80 50 35.
My thought process was that SBs range was really strong given that BB was still left to act. and just thought the chances were I was going to have either 30% or 50% equity if i got it in.
I ended up folding, however after the tourney this hand bothered me and I kind of think it should have been in the bottom of my calling range, especially three handed. But I mean he just ships over 20BB over a min. I feel like this is just really sick.
Is it close or just a terrible fold? What is your guys' thought process when tanking on a hand like this?
Thanks guys
April 3, 2015 | 5:40 a.m.
I do not know how long this certain villain has been open shoving, so i am going to assume this villain as atc.
In these spots I look at it as managing risk. Say maybe i have kjo in the BB. Against a random range I have 60.55% equity.
Besides kjo, there is a wide range of hands that we can call with in the BB(and many other positions) that would be profitable. In these spots I tend to ask myself, "Is it worth it?".
Since there is still 9 people left, I like to gamble when I realize there is someone trying to give their money away. I don't see anything wrong getting in a wide range of hands against this villain.
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March 17, 2015 | 3:09 p.m.
fwiw, definitely a great idea for a venture. i picked up zen a while back hahaha
Feb. 4, 2015 | 5:14 p.m.
lol
Jan. 24, 2015 | 12:02 a.m.
@29:30 "i do that cause i just think he's dumb, when he takes a dumb line i just call"
hahahaha i havent laughed out loud watching a poker vid in a while
good vids
Dec. 4, 2014 | 4:41 a.m.
I think you played the hand fine. River you obv need to go smaller like 500-1000. I mean on the turn we could 3b/f, but I would rather just protect on this board.
Nov. 14, 2014 | 9:27 p.m.
They make bad calls vs me and that costs me
I have never had this problem. Usually good calls cost me money. But yes, MTTs are very high variance, esp when you get down to <15 BB.
Since you are coming in here with the devastating KQ>JJ story and asking about how to get a sample size fast, I might just say that you need play a little more, and try not to worry about short term EV.
Mindset problems are the name of the game in poker, they are there for everyone. I just wouldn't delve too deep when investigating why you won/lost flips. Lately when I am playing MTTs I just try and focus on making the right decision (a little cilche), but really have been focusing on opponent tendencies. I would just say it is important to note that every player is different (even at micro MTTs) they are not all spew-monkeys who just shove every time, with any two cards. Yes it may seem that way sometimes, but just focus on your play and try to make the optimal decision for each situation.
Nov. 12, 2014 | 4:28 p.m.
at 29:00 with the 33, we have a little over 4500, and the guy in ealier position makes it 450. I do not really remember where I got the 10x rule from, referring to set mining. But I have noticed that it gets me in trouble and obv wrong. So all else equal, how many chips would you like to have to set mine here, and how low of chips do you like to shove with here?
Oct. 27, 2014 | 6:34 p.m.
yeah you're right it might be a little risky moving up to 25NL on 12 BI. I mean I was planning on moving back down if it didn't work and since I do not want to break my roll I think I'm going to wait til I hit $500.
Yeah I guess I would say it's a leisurely activity for me since I don't get in THAT much volume. Poker started as a way to make a quick buck, and it did not turn out to be as easy as I thought. I grew fond of the strategy, and I am decent with the mathematical side of things. I would like to think I have some sort of edge, however mentally I am sort of a fish, and having a proficient bankroll would probably help wonders with that.
Thanks for the suggestions, I enjoy hearing everyone's thoughts on BRM.
Oct. 7, 2014 | 5:37 a.m.
wow 2k for 25nl does sound pretty crazy. I mean I was just looking to get to a modest $300 but maybe I am looking at it wrong? Besides your RoR being real low with an 80BI roll, are there any other reasons? Are you playing 16tables?
Oct. 5, 2014 | 11:43 p.m.
Yes injustice tilt is probably exactly whats going on. When I am on these downswings I am thinking there is no way you get there every time, which makes me make terrible calls since alot of the time the boards are really draw heavy. After that it really just comes down to people shoving flush draws and flop and getting there, and then when you flop a opened ended straight flush draw it seems as if u never hit. And that leads to loss of confidence to like cbet and bluff since it is always in the back of you're mind that villain probably has it again.
I thought it was so crazy when I was watching phil galfond play 10K PLO and he was just not phased by what was going on. Like oh whatever another 10K. I mean I get it, he has alot of money and does this for a living and has come across a lot of these similar spots before, so its kind of like clockwork for him. It's just so sick.
I have tried those journals before and I may have to start it up again. If you would see my poker tracker you would definitely see that when I am winning I keep on winning but once I start losing my profits free-fall. It's literally a roller coaster ride, and if I haven't been running as good as I have this football season (kinda degen I know) I would have gone broke multiple times. The most tilting part about this is that I was so close to jumping to NL25 and leaving NL10 behind me right before this downswing. Like a buyin or 2 away. I was looking forward to it, but in these last couple days it seems like my game has improved a lot, so hopefully this will be the purge that finally gets me to NL25. However I can say that I am glad this happened, since it is better to work out mental game leaks (and about other leaks in my game) at 10NL and lose 20BI's than the latter and really mess up my 25NL shot.
Again, thanks for the comments and GL at the tables
Oct. 5, 2014 | 3:46 p.m.
thanks for the replies guys.
I have marked some hands and may post some. Alot of hands a choose not to post because I think its just so obvious what I did wrong (or how I should have played it) once I see their hand. Maybe I'll start posting more hands that I lay down because I feel like that is the most important part in poker is losing the least in spots where you have decent hands.
I am starting to realize that I probably have a tilt problem. It's just tough not getting frustrated when you lose. I have read the mental game of poker by jared (I am spacing on his last name) so i mean I understand of all sorts of different tilt people can go on, just in practice it's so hard to keep your cool (for me at least).
Today went better I just kept telling myself "it's alright they want you to get angry about what happened so dont let them. there are more hands to play and just acknowledge what happened and move on." Yes really simple but once those cards are in the air everything can change. haha
Thanks for putting up with my whining guys, I really appreciate the respectful comments on this thread. Flopzilla is tough for me since I am on a mac, and I hate messing around with parallel. The app on poker tracker is similar to flopzilla right?
Oct. 5, 2014 | 6:15 a.m.
Hey guys im in the midst of a 20BI downswing at 10NL. I am kind of starting to feel like 10NL just is not poker. The games are good but the varience is kind of out of control. People cold calling 3bets with crazy hands in the blinds. So many people play like 50/30, or 70/20 and alot of aggro monkeys.
So many flops with 3+ peeps it is hard to find cbets when I just cannot put people on accurate hand ranges since they are playing 70% of hands my thoughts are "well I guess since I whiffed on this flop one of these two people must have hit something." I am thinking I might want to 2 barrel more but I mean you'd be surprised of how many people will show up with second pair, call with ace high. Since only betting when you flop something is obv very exploitable.
So I mean yes alot of this swing has to due with some bad variance and many bad calls. Like running QQ into KK when someone is 3bet stat is 20. And bad calls like flopping sets and not believing their flush got there on the river. Hitting TPTK and think they are playing a flush draw aggressively, when they actually have a set.
I dunno I just feel like my play is very exploitable and do not balance my ranges very well while I level myself into the ground against opponents. I pay off too many people do to their high aggression. I probably have a semi tilt problem but i try and work on it. This is just rough since I guess since I lose to idiots I guess I'm a moron.
Oct. 3, 2014 | 9:27 p.m.
so since this fish likes to limp this makes him passive postflop? I am not sure where you are getting your postflop passive read, Panick
Oct. 2, 2014 | 2 a.m.
c'mon you have a fish on your right and u decide to play 73s against him. Big mistake IMO just fold, Im sure with this guy limping in alot (and playing 74/21) you can find a good spot to iso him with much better holdings.
As sweet said we need to call turn, and however this is obv a tough spot to just pay him off. I would like to find a fold here given I feel like the only hands we beat in this spot are 34 and 35
Oct. 2, 2014 | 1:32 a.m.
agreed, this guy is a fish charge his flush draws/10x's on the flop max by r/r gii. we have good equity if we're behind and fish love flush draws w/ 2 cards to come.
You're not always against flushes/str8's here but against some villains (especially this one) I do not mind getting it in vs. his flushes. The only straights I see him playing like this are like QT or 7T with a diamond.
Sept. 30, 2014 | 7:26 p.m.
Ya this just looks like your missing every flop, and your cbets arent getting through. Poker wouldnt be called gambling if you won everytime, and why would fish keep coming back if they always lost?
Sept. 29, 2014 | 1:45 p.m.
ya well i mean i called and he showed up with JQs, its just a strange hand. You may want to stay away from words like "always" when it comes to poker.
fwiw I was playing very laggy, and I just think in this player pool people spazz out alot.
Sept. 28, 2014 | 3:34 p.m.
Sorry if I missed this in discussion I was just scimming.
My 2 cents is that yes it is a kind of standard 3bet. However since the villain is calling alot of 3bets on BTN presumably thin, I dont see why we do not lead the flop. I think we get value from random Qx's and maybe even A9, and probably will be easier to put villain on a more narrow range.
Sept. 28, 2014 | 4:24 a.m.
SB: $3.77
BB: $13.89
HJ: $10.34
CO: $18.20 (Hero)
HJ raises to $0.30, Hero calls $0.30, BN folds, SB folds, BB calls $0.20
So now I guess I am paying off AJ and JJ. I have decent odds though getting like 4 to 1. Thoughts?
Sept. 28, 2014 | 3:52 a.m.
imo good default strategy vs unknown at 5NL is ABC poker. I was just playing 4NL recently moved up to 10NL. I mean ya unknowns are generally tough to play against but I mean assuming a small sample of like 50-100 hands you can get decent reads on villains if they're fish (45/2/0) or nits/regs (20/10/5) and so on.
As I read below you want to "Learn to improve and not make money", its kind of contradictory since money is the way we keep score in poker. So ultimately you are choosing to play 5NL but you want to know what the right play is at 100NL? I dont think it works like AT ALL that since the player pool is so different.
I mean yeah it might be nice to lose a 100bb at 5NL and say "well based on the range you had on the BTN and my 3bet raising range in the BB you should only be flatting with xx-xx. But you should up with xx, totally outside of that range and that is why you got my stack. But you see if this was 100NL you would have been inside that range so I made the right play."
The bottom line is that depending on the player, and the way you have seen them play hands in the past, you start see how they are thinking. I just hate to see people level themselves.
So from NLHE theory and practice (im paraphrasing) if someone is thinking at level 0 (what do I have) and you are thinking on level 2 (what does he think that I think that he thinks I have) you really end up outsmarting yourself and costing yourself money.
So what kind of opponent you are playing against is really important in poker, so posting all of these hands vs "unknowns" is really frustrating to try and analyze since one play against one opponent might not be the right play vs another opponent.
Sept. 19, 2014 | 6:42 a.m.
I didnt say anything about not cbetting flop. I agree with the flop cbet but checking back turn is not very good since any ace just doubled his outs. I would kind of expect him to have alot of AT-AQ (possibly) floating this flop.
Sept. 19, 2014 | 6:09 a.m.
Oo I see, I missed the CO limping my bad
Sept. 19, 2014 | 6:04 a.m.
good video. everything seemed pretty standard.
Sept. 19, 2014 | 5:58 a.m.
imo I think we need to just 3bet pre vs BTN and not see a flop with a (semi?) vulnerable hand 3ways. I kind of want to say that 27/22 doesnt sound like too much of a fish, would maybe lean more toward LAGish the way you've explained it.
Sept. 18, 2014 | 9:28 p.m.
are you on bovada or something?
Sept. 18, 2014 | 9:05 p.m.
We cant be checking back this turn esp. since we 3bet a UTG raise. DEPENDING ON VILLAIN he probably has an ace. I am sorry about the caps but the last two of your posts that ive read do not have any info on villain. You seem really concerned about your range, but there is another player in the hand right?
Sept. 18, 2014 | 9:01 p.m.
I agree with knoxox, and go for the 1/2 psb. Half pot because I would say he is only a little less likely to call $16 than to call $12. Like if he was 25% to call for $12 and 20% to call for $16 from a simple EV standpoint the bigger bet is better.
Sept. 18, 2014 | 8:51 p.m.
any stats/reads on villain? obv a weaker player limp/calling and leave it to the fish to show up J7o here . tbh i think river is easy fold.
It depends. If we have been playing snug the whole tourney, I wouldn't 3B since that would turn our hand face up. Hands like these really come down to the table dynamic. There is no correct answer on what to do when you have AKs on BTN being ~35BB deep when facing a 2.2x raise. Just dont fold lol
April 3, 2015 | 4:29 p.m.