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Flop:
Well played as we love to get more players in with our nut draw here. No reason to raise as we isolate ourselves to strong parts of any continuing v range.

Turn: I would lead a pretty sizeable amount here (setting up for a river value vet) around 3/5 pot to get value from any bare 7 or a worse flush draw. Checking lets the only hand with equity against you have a free river which is a disaster for as as we don't like any board pairing card or cards that hit a likely limping range (76,78,79).

River: I would bet somewhere around 1.2k and fold to a shove. They are calling most of their 7's and flushes and raising their boats. As played I think we might have to just call as we've close the action.

I don't have software on me (mobile) but it would be interesting top see what your hands looks like in comparison to V range OTF which is likely:

JT, QT, 99, Axhh, 78s, QK(no hearts), AQhh, QJ. I have a feeling our range plays close to a flip here vs that so its a question of whether you think you have FE and if you are prepared to take the variance.

I think once we get to the turn it's a fold as we didn't pick up any equity and his willingness to fire into us again should indicate he is pretty value heavy here.

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I agree with David on this one, vs this large of a field it will be very difficult to get this through. There are few turn cards that will strengthen your range enough to continue vs a call.
The one great thing about betting is that you will often get to see turn and river for free and some implied odds if you Bink the boat. Not enough of an edge over checking in my opinion tho

As it played out you are correct. I think leading would be great after thinking this hand over. People in low stakes live often do not get much value on rivers when obvious cards roll off so I think I allowed them to get away with a passive showdown.

As far as raising pre: I like the idea but one adjustment I make for loose passive 1-2 games is to try not to bloat pots OOP with suited Aces as we can almost always play them better postflop and have a really good opportunity to profit from flush-over-flush scenarios. I know it's a highly exploitable play but if no one is exploiting me for it, I think its +ev.

Surprisingly enough V1 had As5s for the nut flush and.V2 had only an ace.

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I have a totally different view on this hand & am interested in what others think:

My first though on this flop was to consider XR here. It looks super strong and allows us to really put pressure on a number of runouts. We can rep a very wide and uncapped range and put our villain to the test with all of his Kx and Qx that can t play 3 streets.

If we get xed behind, we can barrel 2/3 to full-pot OTT and follow it up with a pot sized river shove. We then achieve our goal of being polarized in the river while putting maximum pressure on his range of missed draws and 1 pairs he get to the river with.

Thoughts?

1. Obviously this is a very thin spot - there arent many favorable flop textures for you. I see that you have a reason to complete VS fish, but for me I would just let it go.

2. When you XR flop, you really start to isolate yourself to the value side of the Rec players' range when they continue. I see that you have a good spot to pick up some dead money, but once he calls, what plan do you have OTT? If called and any non-diamond broadway rolls off, you are in a tough spot with a 1:1 SPR as his range looks like Jx/AT/QK a lot here and I dont think you have much FE there otherwise if a non-diamond comes. Also, your two-pair out to the 8 may be straightening outs for villain (if not already dead vs higher 2p)
   Once UTG calls and button moves in, It really put the Buttons range faceup to Sets/toptwo that wants to Get it in before a scary card comes, or Monster draws (AQdd/KQdd) that weren't raising the flop to get more $ip. JTx flops are very hard to get people off as they aren't stacking off with overpairs and also arent afraid to get it in with OES+2overs & flushdraws.

3. If my math is right, there is Pot+xr+1 call+shove so 50+250+250+990=1540. and its 740 more to you. 1540:740 = ~2:1, and if the other Villain calls too, implied odds of closer to 3-1. Although we only need ~35% equity to call here, I believe we are often getting it in with Reverse ImpOdds vs another flush draw a very large amount of time. I think that a fold is fine here, we don't need to go broke in a limped pot with the bottom part of our XR range here.

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I play online a few hours a week, but just 6max micros to gain study material for my database. Maybe 5k hands/month max

I would call. You should be squeezing with a decently wide range here and if he is a lag reg like his stats indicate, I would expect him to be making some Weird spaz play with a mid pair. There's some dead money in there and a decent chance the opener well just fold after the passive line he has taken.

LAG players love to make lag plays, so after he flats the recs open, its hard for him to have a value heavy range here

Thanks for the feedback, I'm glad to know I'm on the right track with my line of thought.

I felt like I should fold otr... It just seemed like such a gross spot and my standard thought whenever I'm in a gross spot is that I must've made a mistake prior to it.

Is there ANY case for turning my hand into a bluff otr? The reason I say this is bc J8 is one of the worst 2pairs I could have in this spot and its pretty hard for villain to call with a large part of his triple barrel range here. Could be FPS leaking in but I'm interested to know what you guys think?

Thanks for the help

Group consensus then is xrc > xc > xrr?

Thanks for the support guys

This is not a profitable long run call. At these stakes people are doing retarded stuff, but they are capable of seeing 3 of a suit. I would expect them to be doing this with some non-nut flush trying to get one of you to call off with a straight or set.

V could have a hand like A3h, A2-A5h, 56h, or any random flush cards. The problem here is that all of your ranges are completely uncapped so noone really knows where anyone is. If you had raised at some point and then made this straight, I would be more inclined to call, but as played you have invested 4.5bbs and have a marginal call off at best for stacks here.

Fold and find a better spot

Good luck, looking forward to seeing to your progress.
Are you a winning reg at other stakes? Are you planning to start with one table and add more as you progress thru the stake?

Thanks!

• I agree about focusing on player types and playing exploitative, however at 5nl zoom the pool is usually 400-700 players so it is difficult to get stats on anyone. Im lucky to have 50 hands on anyone. On this note, I seem to be running into a ton if very aggro russians and eastern europeans, and I am having trouble with them... i am taking notes as I play them bc they seem to have a very similar playstyle and I see many weird lines post flop and see a lot of value in figuring out a way to really out play these guys. any thoughts on those player types?
• I have started click back 4b with a lot of my range (hence the 4bprem stats) including KK, AA, AK and some bluffs (KQo, KTs, A2-A5s) to try and exploit these thin 3b.

I dont think he has enough bluff combos on that river for you to call.
I think its a check-fold on this river. His range of hands here is heavily weighted towards >AA, PLUS you have the double nut flush blockers so a considerable amount of hands are not in his range.

yes, this is something very important at the micros. When I looked over my database of 30k hands, I was getting it in preflop with AKo and AKs with an average of around 38% equity - which means I was running into AA/KK more often than pairs to QQ and AK. Peoples preflop stack-off ranges are quite strong at the micros and you can outplay them by seeing flops with AK or even folding to 4bets. I have it as a rule now, that unless I have stats pointing to them being Lagtards, i do not stack off AK preflop at 5nl. I can imagine 10nl is pretty close in player pool.

Play tight, play tight, play tight.

I myself just came out of 2nl. It was a long rinse and repeat process of not trying to be tricky. i found i ALWAYS wanted to win every pot, but that simply is not possible. Pay close attention to your stats and compare them to other winners in your player pool. You can still bluff, but only in the spots where its obvious that the villain is weak and you represent an OBVIOUS value range. Dont assume these droolers are able to think on a level you are or even close. most of the time they just make decisions based on their own hand only.

Lots of free youtube videos to watch as well.
Also if you find yourself against a player you know is a fish and thinks on the first level, dont be afraid to just over bet the pot with your nut hands. They will call off with top pair no kicker or even second pair and you will make 80 big blinds more than you would have playing it in a standard way.

I ran it quickly and vs CO (fish) 4b shove range of 99+, AKo, AKs and SB (tight calling range here) range of QQ+, AKs and AKo, you only have 24% equity best case. Its ~6.50 more to win ~23.50 but I would expect both of these V's stack off ranges to be a bit tighter than my assumption so i think its an exploitative fold here IMO.

Conversely, I actually kind of like calling the 3b here vs a TAG SB 3b and a fish behind. We keep playing an uncapped range and also we allow the fish into the pot with a range we often dominate. AKs will be very easy to play postflop as the TAG will play faceup OOP vs 2 players.