tiltmonkey89
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Hi i just bought flopzilla, and i was going to try to make some ranges preflop, and i found out that some hand hit more then other, Like k7s hit 30% of the time and Ato 29%,, as well j9s 36% is better then kqo 32%
So now my question is, how can i calcute how much i reverse?? and what are the really % of this kind of hand?
Sept. 13, 2014 | 9:18 a.m.
I hope we will undestand why calling 14% for janda is the way to do it(vs pot open...) and all the other are 100% thats is wrong.... and that i cannot have that range :)
a part from joke i will like to dicuss this argument proprely if someone will like :)
Aug. 31, 2014 | 11:54 p.m.
I don't get how if i said that i have that range in that spot u can said that i don.t.....
Is possible that opponent think that i cannot have these hand.
I undestand that probably i use a wilder range on the bottom so that might be the mistake.
BUt my question is still HOw a pro like mettew janda can be so wrong? is possible that we miss something???
Pls do not said to me again that i do not have j9s here, becouse i do, just said that is wrong to have it :)
Aug. 30, 2014 | 11 p.m.
Ok peter, i got that and that was the assumption i used to do.
But after i saw it the matthew janda he said that we have to difend thats ranges For not being exploited, but i never really undestand why.
Soo can someone please solve me this problem( it could be possible that i didn't undestand becouse my enghlis suck... :) )
Aug. 30, 2014 | 5:53 p.m.
u problably right i should use equilab first... i will do it tonight(hope i will not forgot loool)
Aug. 30, 2014 | 4:58 p.m.
if we c/F KQo we are c/F too much on this run out and we will have To C/C and c/R most of our range, and our cbet will be less then 50% oop.
this could be a problem? or not?
Aug. 30, 2014 | 12:44 p.m.
so how much u guys think we should def btn sv cO??? becouse some peoples said that we should 3b 7% and call 13% other said the opposite.
Since u comment the post with the GTo question, In that book said that we have to cc btn vs CO with :Button
Flat
vs CO
14.2%
AA*, TT-22, AKo*-AJo, KQo,
AQs-A8s, KQs-KTs, QJs-QTs,
JTs-J9s, T9s-T8s, 98s-97s,
87s-86s, 76s-75s, 65s, 54s
and 3bet:Vs CO
3-Bet IP
7.2%
AA*-JJ, AKo*, ATo,
KJo, QJo, AKs, A7s-A2s
Off course we can mixed better, but thats it.
Aug. 30, 2014 | 12:39 p.m.
for get Be Opponend when bet 1psb is true that need to have 33% of bluff, but is as well true that he need 50% of FE to make it BE.
So for him he nedd to bluff 33% for us we need to defend 50% of our riv ranges, and if u loose money u problably have a wrong range there, that could be from the preflop flop or turn.
thats what i undestand.
Aug. 30, 2014 | 12:37 p.m.
wider doenst mean weakest when he bet turn.... u could be write preflop, but he have so many hand that have lots of equity like kk etc so at the end he will be problably aroud 50%+ vs our ranges , if u like we can see that on equilab(but now no im going to sleep).
But if u do it i will do mine tommorow and we can compare and discuss about and see u is right :)
gn
Aug. 29, 2014 | 10:33 p.m.
i think ur calculete are right, i mean to make his bet BE on the riv is correct that he win 1psb, becosue is the dead money on the pot, and if u fold too much he win more... or if u call too much....or if he bluff too much he loose more.... etc.
the point of gto, for what i undestanded and my logical thinking, is to be vs player that are perfectly well balacend, and profitable vs player that bluff too much, or call too much etc...
The problem i see is vs player that never bluff,in that scenario i think GTo is bad if we dont know his range, but if u do(like should be) u can play gto vs his ranges, adding as well the time that u can steal the pot ip(i think it will matter).
ALl of this one is my interpretation, so it could be wrong, and if it is please open my eyes :)
But if im right(that im 70% sure), is a pretty cool staff and we can discuss, i will be happy about hearing every opinion.
sorry for my english :)
Aug. 29, 2014 | 10:31 p.m.
How can u said that??? jhe have a8s we dont, he have all AA AK we dont we both have set and AT
Aug. 29, 2014 | 8:57 p.m.
Memo if u play GTo vs a player that never bet this turn and river with hand that u beat with A9 is a loose play. U cannot play only ur range.
becouse like peter said if u get wrong like me and use a wilder range that u should defende, it couse that u will have too many loosing calling hand Otr.
Imho
Aug. 29, 2014 | 8:02 p.m.
SO u will bet this baord with only B/D pp and balanced all your rnage between C/C C/R e bet???
IS not a board where we always are in front???So we can force the 2 barreling with all overcard that when hit and overcard they are usually pretty good and we have odds 3 to 1 if he dont raise flop and turn???
SO now my question is how the fact that he can raise flop and turn should effect my odds of hitting overcard???
Aug. 29, 2014 | 7:57 p.m.
hahahaah I dont undestand why it wrote every time hero loool i apologize but is a bug i suppose....
btw the hand is going in this way we are 100x he is MP and im CO
he c/C flop turn and c/F riv
Aug. 29, 2014 | 7:52 p.m.
So u said is better to have a 7% cc and a bigger 3bet like 13% so i can make more money with 79s becouse im 3betting, and i have to broke TT+ AQs and some 99 AQo and flat some SC to 4bet right?
I was thinking insted that was best to have the opposite so i can broke around 3.2%(more easy)
and if i play a wild ranges ip and balanced well i wasnt going to loose, problably i was wrong.
thanks
Aug. 29, 2014 | 7:49 p.m.
If i call A9 on this river against this opponont im never winning, he doesn't bluff enough
and talking about bloker how is having AT A8 bloked the he will bet fold OTR help us???
thats why im talking about 79sbecouse it has the same bloker of J9 and i do not blok all the Ax that he could bet fold on riv like AK AQ and Ax that have 2pair.
BTW is possible to tag a pro??? i immagine not but asking is free :D
Aug. 29, 2014 | 5:04 p.m.
HJ: 259.32
CO: 396.40
BN: 200
SB: 201
BB: 160
Hero raises to 6, HJ folds, CO folds, BN folds, SB folds, BB calls 4
OTR i decided to overbet the reson is that the J hit a lot of his 2 pair and he never have flush here(sure????)
SO now my question is will he folt TP becouse of the flushes??? Becouse if so i should bet around 24
what u think??
Aug. 29, 2014 | 4:57 p.m.
BB: 551.27
UTG: 266.23
HJ: 246.16
CO: 215.74
BN: 200
23/20 18 open MP
cbet 55 60
C/F 48 flop
only got 2k hand becouse i ahd a prob with hm
but c/F on turn and river should be aroud 55-60
wtsd 24 wsd 51
Hero raises to 6, Hero calls 6, Hero folds, Hero folds, Hero folds
and bluff on riv flush(when i have bloker)
for get 11 combo of value.
i know i shlud have 12 combo of value and and 6 of bluff beu i think is good enough.
What u think of all my process????
Aug. 29, 2014 | 4:40 p.m.
CO: 305.10
BN: 282.01
SB: 201
BB: 298.37
fold cbet 45 58 27
Rcbet 2 6 25(8)
6k hand
Hero raises to 6, CO folds, BN calls 6, SB folds, BB folds
My opinion is that his range on the riv should be around 4% and he should be folding at least half if i potted, so it will be a BE move.
this is what his range is on the riv:
TT-99, 77-66, AhAs, KhKs, QhQs, QhQc, JhJs, JhJc, 8d8h, 8h8s, 5h5s, 4h4s, 3h3s, 98s, 87s, 76s, AhKh, AcQc, JcTc, Tc9c(3,85%)
and this is what he call imho:
TT-99, 77-66, AhAs, KhKs, QhQs, QhQc, JhJs, JhJc, 8d8h, 8h8s, 5h5s, 4h4s, 3h3s, 98s, 87s, 76s, AhKh, AhQh, AsQs, JcTc, Tc9c(1,21%)
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and if he not folding the monocombo of JTs and TT he will have 1,73%
Soo at the end my play on the riv should be slide profit or Be.
Do u agree on this ranges??? Did u agree on all i said??
Thanks
Aug. 29, 2014 | 4:24 p.m.
ok that is for turn :) For the river? u sadi u push most riv obv here we dont need to protected, so u sure will find more then 50% of range that call us that we beat?? unfortunatly i had problems with my pokerazor, and i do not wanna use equilab too slow...
So if someone already knowed will be good :) if not im goig to do it tonight or tommorow if i remember, and if u like we can shere what we think ranges are and discuss our differences.
sorry if is confused but my enghlish suck and im in a rush
Aug. 29, 2014 | 1:13 p.m.
i just wrote my range.... how can u said that u don't know it????? :O
and i can rep st8 set becouse pre im never 3betting TT 88 vs co an d on this run out im never raising cbet flop and turn, all on riv.
Aug. 29, 2014 | 1:08 p.m.
can u make urself more clear?? like why??? thanks
Aug. 29, 2014 | 12:16 p.m.
BN: 200 (Hero)
SB: 249.49
BB: 431.95
UTG: 208
HJ: 244
UTG folds, HJ folds, CO raises to 6, Hero calls 6, SB folds, BB calls 4
hope dindi't forget anything.
Soo imho A9s in gonna be my bottom calling range on the turn, becouse im folding all my GS+B/D(since on the turn no one hitted) and im folding underpair too and 2ndp.
But after thinking about i realize that is best to bluff 79s that are 2-3 combo it depends about the 7 on the riv.
Sooo my question is:
better for me to be sure to turn into bluff a9s becouse is always 3 combo here, isted of 79s that could be 2????
thanks
Aug. 29, 2014 | 11:40 a.m.
imho is dependendig about what kind of fish it is, calling station? wtsd wsd? fold to 3bet?
if u dont have any of this read u can chek and bet riv or call riv like raphael was saying, or u can try some smallish bet like 1/3 1/3 but fish need to be passive station so he would not go over the top randomic.
Aug. 28, 2014 | 3:58 p.m.
imho u need to ahve better read on opponents that is capable of folding AK.
Another interesting read could be, how many AK did he cbet here? like only with Ah or Kh? if yes he could easly bluffcath riv bloking your draw, and with that RSP on flop u shove almost all ur F/D, if not i think is a mistake.
So is much easier to balance this spot by C/P almost all your range, as well becouse u almost will never have here and that cannot push like TT 99.
At the end in this spot it seems that u calling is more scary than u raising, giving ur range.
Unless obv u here have TT 99 but it seems pretty bad :)
Aug. 28, 2014 | 3:51 p.m.
CO: 410.17
BN: 376.63 (Hero)
SB: 212.51
BB: 200
UTG: 230.38
UTG folds, HJ folds, CO folds, Hero raises to 4, SB folds, BB raises to 16, Hero calls 12
Aug. 28, 2014 | 3:38 p.m.
Aug. 9, 2014 | 7:57 p.m.
So after the first brag we keep loosing every session :( and after
today that we lost 8 stack in two session,and from 2k profit of this
month i went back to 400 :( fell pretty down :(
i tilted a lot in game but couldn't stop.
IS
olso frustant that in this year when i started SNe i was loosing 80
stack and make a come back to +20 satck in a tot of 1milion plus hand.
NOw im loosing around 4k or a bit less.
DO u guys have some advice how can i try to make my mindset better?
something like do not look at the cashier???
Thanks
dodgy can u explain yourself better? thaks im a bit of a tard :)
Sept. 2, 2014 | 10:07 a.m.