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Post | suwasup posted in NLHE: Fixing my leak

Hello, guys. I play on Pokerstars NJ(incase you dont know, it is Pokerstar for the US, New Jersey area in specific, and it is soft)

I moved up to NL100 this year, and I play NL200 sometimes when there are enough fish on the table.

Long story short, I had a pretty good mouth for Jan, pretty bad for Feb and March (still winning , but only 2.5bb/100 overall)

Overall Win rate

I decided to check my hand history data in PT4, Finding out that according to the book Modern Poker Theory, the biggest problem I have is BN and EP, I could improve my play at BB and SB as well, and here is the data.

PS. All the data are from the hand history when there are 4-6 players on the table.


Preflop

I use BTS Preflop range, but I dont follow it 100%, I play little tighter than the range.

The leak I found here is that I 3bet too little at BN, SB, BB. according to the BTS range, I will increase My BN 3bet to 12%. SB 3bet Steal to 13.5%, and BB 3 bet steal to 15%. Do you think these are good frequency?

Also, I fold too much at BN and SB when I face 3bet, I dont know what the heck I was doing at BN to fold 60%. what is the frequency I should fold at BN when facing 3bet? 40? How about SB? shuold I keep the same or call more since I am OOP ?

My 4bet range is just terrible, there is barely any bluff. I am going to add some more hands in my 4bet range.

Is 65% fold to steal at BB too much? I think its about 50% in BTS range, but the rake may different and the player pool here dont have as many steals as the chart.

Postflop

I dont know what the frequency should be, but I think I cbet too much at EP and MP?

Also, for BN, should I Cbet little less, like 60%? My fold to turn probe is 57% because my checking range is just too weak. and It affect my red line

is there any other factor that affect my redline as well?

Do you guys know how can I find out why exactly my EP and BN win rate is so low other than weak checking range?

I know that there are way too many questions, also, if anyone knows coach who can review my hand history, please let me know.

March 22, 2021 | 6:15 a.m.

also, I have a deeper understanding of win rate. My average win rate is 8bb/100. that means when I have a good run and doing 50bb/100 for 1000 hands, im guaranteed to lose some later. vise versa, If I have a bad run and losing 50bb/100 for 1000 hands, im gonna win some.

Aug. 19, 2020 | 8:02 a.m.

I had a downswing about 2 month ago, and it was when I thought I was good at it and I was ready to beat NL50. I lost 10 buyins in 3 days. it starts with bad luck and I was not sure if I tilted and made some bad decisions. I posted my hand history on 2+2, and some people told me that I actually made a lot of wrong decisions, so I realized that im not quite there yet. I had been wining, and I think I could still win if I wasn't unlucky, but mainly because the game is soft on the site.

I stoped playing for about a month, and focus on studying GTO. and then I learned that I have to do certain things at certain points, but the result is not something I can control. for example, I understood that when villain do this kind of thing, he can have air or nuts, All I have to do is call sometimes and fold sometimes, if he has nut, I lose, but It doesn't mean I played bad. set of set? it happens, but I should go all in, it is the correct play.

Also, I realized I could not handled the loses at NL50, I will be tiled by losing 10 buyins, even 5. so I decided to move down to NL30, and build my bankroll until I feel comfortable losing another 10 buyins at NL50

Aug. 19, 2020 | 7:52 a.m.

polarbearandpenguin it should be more than enough as long as you fully understand every concepts it covers

plus its only $50 and you can get one month membership for free as well

Aug. 13, 2020 | 5:03 a.m.

Mudkip I highly recommend you to read Play Optimal Poker if you love math, those books are more math/theory toward than Modern Poker Theory. the first book is ok, its not too difficult to understand. Im currently studying the second one, and i have to say it is pretty hard for me, its not something you can understand once you read it, you have to really study it(maybe one of the reason is that English is not my first language, and its challenging for me to solve difficult problems in English )

Anyway, I think you would enjoy POP more if you are a math nerd

Aug. 12, 2020 | 7:05 p.m.

The most basic class I ever took was "Crush Micro Stakes Online Poker: The Complete Mastery Guide" on Udemy. They also have a website that offer discount, feel free to check it out. This series of videos are all about basic knowledge, and I think it could help you to understand "From The Ground Up" better.

IMO, "From The Ground Up" is not for completely beginners, you need to have certain knowledge at first.

If you just want to be a regular who beat NL50, Nl30, maybe NL100, I think those two classes should be more than enough.

However, If you want to be a professional player, I think you should study GTO, and it is the only way to fully understand the game of poker from the core, but it is so boring and its like studying math. It will take you a lot of time and effort, its not worth it at all if you just want to have fun.

Here is my recommendation of learning GTO( you still need basic knowledge in order to understand these books) :

Play Optimal Poker 1&2 by Andrew Brokos: very hardcore poker theory book, it teach poker theory by using toy games, it like learning math more than learning poker.

Modern Poker Theory by Michael Acevedo: this one is more like a text book from school, it tells you the ranges, the cbet frequency, etc. more of a poker book than Play Optimal Poker.

I would recommend you to read Andrew first and then Michael.

Aug. 11, 2020 | 10:43 p.m.

hey,guys. I just thought of a interesting question.

PokerSnowie is a AI poker tool, and it plays against itself to improve. how come it doesn't become a pure GTO tool? I mean wont it keep choosing the highest EV option and end up being pure GTO? especially it is against itself, who also choose the highest EV option all the time, which is impossible to exploit(deviation from GTO strategy)

July 23, 2020 | 11:10 p.m.

Yes, From the Ground up is a great course! and its only $50. I ve seen it and it improved my game a lot. and im now reading his book The Grinder's Manual.

June 26, 2020 | 9:11 p.m.

I have a thought that GTO is a required poker course. or let say the foundation of modern poker, because any imbalance, or dominated strategies, which can be exploited, are based on the deviation from nash equilibrium, which is GTO strategy.

people say you should not play GTO strategy at micro stack because your villains make too many mistakes, you should try to exploit them as much as you can. but isnt it still based on the understanding of GTO? it just their mistakes are too obvious in micro stack that you dont realize you apply GTO strategy. or GTO thought.

June 26, 2020 | 6:07 a.m.

I just had another thought on GTO.

any imbalance, or dominated strategies, are based on the deviation from nash equilibrium, which is GTO strategy.

In another word, when you try to exploit villain, what you do is find his leak, which is where his strategies deviate from GTO strategy. and change your strategy to exploit him. but everything is based on the understanding of GTO

is this correct? if so, does it make GTO the only strategy that work? (if everyone is smart enough like super computer)

June 26, 2020 | 5:38 a.m.

update:

I talked to someone in a group chat and found out that, unlike rock paper scissor, there are dominated strategies in NLH.(it basically means the strategies worse than the others). for example: all in with 27o all the time and fold any other hands. you will lose against GTO strategy.

dominted strategy don't exist in the game of rock paper scissor. no matter what strategies villain use, both of you will have 0EV as long as you play GTO strategy.

my guess is that NLH and RPS have different type of nash equilibrium

June 26, 2020 | 2:32 a.m.

Post | suwasup posted in NLHE: GTO and Nash equilibrium

if there is nash equilibrium in NLH, does it make NLH the same game as rock paper scissor(i know its million times more complicate) ?

for example, in the game of rock paper scissor,let's say you earn 1 point when you win, you lose 1 point when you lose, and when you tie, you earn 0 point. in this case, if you do rock 1/3 the time, paper 1/3 the time, scissor 1/3 the time, you are playing pure GTO, no matter what your opponent do, you will always get 0 point in the long run. however, if your opponent doesn't use the same strategy as you do(pure GTO), you can change your strategy to exploit him, but at the same time, you are no longer playing pure GTO, which you are not at nash equilibrium anymore.

in conclusion, if you use pure gto, no matter what your opponent do, your EV should be 0 in the long run?

Is this the correct understanding of GTO and Nash Equilibrium? please leave your common

June 25, 2020 | 9:14 p.m.

yea, i paid 100 dollars for it so i cant just not using it.

I mainly use Scenarios to analyst my hand when there's no one i can discuss my hand with

I still sometime use snowie to analys my whole session, simple because I have like 5000 analyst per month, why not?

June 14, 2020 | 11:49 p.m.

I asked the same question on 2+2 before. here is the link:

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/69/micro-small-stakes-pl-nl/should-i-learn-pokersnowie-1768118/?highlight=

June 14, 2020 | 10:34 p.m.

Hand History | suwasup posted in NLHE: Am I tilting? Hand 4
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50 (6 Players) SB: $119.23
BB: $76.81 (Hero)
UTG: $76.79
MP: $37.75
CO: $45.84
BN: $46.34
Preflop ($0.75) Hero is BB with Q J
UTG raises to $1.50, MP calls $1.50, CO folds, BN calls $1.50, SB folds, Hero calls $1.00
villain was a new face, VPIP 68, I thought he was a recreational fish
Flop ($6.25) J 6 Q
Hero checks, UTG checks, MP checks, BN bets $0.50, Hero raises to $3.00, UTG calls $3.00, MP folds, BN raises to $5.50, Hero raises to $14.00, UTG folds, BN raises to $22.50, Hero raises to $75.31 and is all in, BN calls $22.34 and is all in
The question is: was it too aggressive? did I isolation all his bluff/semi-bluff to just one hand(66)?
My thought at the moment was since he only bet 1bb, he might have a lot of draws( I think this is what fish like to do to build to pot)
perhaps I should just call his 22.5 raise so that he can have more bluff in his range?
I raised him all in because his SPR was low, was it correct?
Turn ($129.40) J 6 Q 7
River ($129.40) J 6 Q 7 K
Final Pot BB lost and shows two pair, Queens and Jacks.
BN wins and shows two pair, Kings and Queens.
BN wins $96.43
Rake is $2.50

June 14, 2020 | 9:22 p.m.

Hand History | suwasup posted in NLHE: Am I tilting? Hand 3
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50 (6 Players) UTG: $63.41 (Hero)
MP: $50.00
CO: $32.06
BN: $51.35
SB: $255.33
BB: $41.98
Preflop ($0.75) Hero is UTG with Q K
Hero raises to $1.50, 2 folds, BN raises to $4.50, 2 folds, Hero calls $3.00
very standard call here. villain 3bet 6 at Button, since I am UTG, this should be even tighter, so i put him on AK, AA, maybe AQ
Flop ($9.75) 9 8 3
Hero checks, BN bets $3.06, Hero raises to $11.50, BN calls $8.44
again, if I want to represent set, should I just call?
but this one is different than hand 2, I could defiantly have 99 and 88, and I am OOP, so I think this is ok to raise and put him all in on turn
when he called, I thought he had aces, AQ AK with a spade.
Turn ($32.75) 9 8 3 T
Hero bets $47.41 and is all in, BN calls $35.35 and is all in
as what i planed, I shoved, I thought this was a very good card for me because I got more odds now.
I wanted him to fold his AK/AQ/AA, which was all the hands he had here( at least what i thought)
I never put him on jacks.
River ($115.51) 9 8 3 T Q
he called with jacks, and holded :(
However, I think this is a reasonable play, what do you think?
Final Pot UTG lost and shows a pair of Queens.
BN wins and shows a straight, Eight to Queen.
BN wins $100.95
Rake is $2.50

June 14, 2020 | 9:09 p.m.

Hand History | suwasup posted in NLHE: Am I tilting? Hand 2
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50 (6 Players) SB: $39.69
BB: $40.00
UTG: $50.75 (Hero)
MP: $24.18
CO: $49.43
BN: $102.65
Preflop ($0.75) Hero is UTG with A 7
Hero raises to $1.50, 3 folds, SB calls $1.25, BB calls $1.00
I was tilted playing this hand, I don't usually play this kind of hand this aggressive, but can you please tell me if it is a bad play or not?
Flop ($4.50) 3 K 8
SB bets $3.00, BB folds, Hero raises to $10.71, SB calls $7.71
this guy likes to donk, hes a new guy, and his donk state is 4/18, when he donk, my first thought was he had Kx, or packet pair like TT, 99, JJ
He could barely have 2 pair, and I didnt think he would donk with a set
so I raised him and i knew he was gonna call
Turn ($25.92) 3 K 8 2
SB checks, Hero bets $27.50, SB calls $27.48 and is all in
My plan was to go all in on turn and represent a set.
but when I am reviewing this hand, I think I shouldnt raise the flop if I try to represent the set.
do you think its more believable if i raise/bet big on turn and shove river?
River ($80.90) 3 K 8 2 4
Final Pot SB wins and shows a pair of Kings.
UTG lost and shows high card Ace.
SB wins $78.38
Rake is $2.50

June 14, 2020 | 8:53 p.m.

Hand History | suwasup posted in NLHE: Am I tilting? Hand 1
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50 (6 Players) MP: $51.99
CO: $45.71
BN: $54.54
SB: $47.75
BB: $67.60 (Hero)
UTG: $50.36
Preflop ($0.75) Hero is BB with J J
UTG raises to $1.25, MP folds, CO calls $1.25, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.75
i didnt 3bet because UTG doesnt fold too much against 3bet, and he is tight. CO is a 50% VPIP new face(maybe a recreational player) , and i thought if UTG called, he would called too, I didnt want to play mulit way 3 bet pot with pair of jacks OOP
Flop ($4.00) J 7 Q
Hero checks, UTG checks, CO bets $2.00, Hero calls $2.00, UTG folds
I called here, because CO could have so many hand that cannot call a check raise here. and i kind wanted to see UTG call as well
Turn ($8.00) J 7 Q 8
Hero checks, CO bets $4.50, Hero raises to $13.00, CO calls $8.50
I check raised because i thought he could have set of 7, AQ, KQ, stuff like that, and of course he might have 9T
I think I played ok until turn
River ($34.00) J 7 Q 8 A
Hero bets $32.30, CO calls $29.46 and is all in
this might be wrong, here is what i thought at the moment:
1. he's gonna all in or bet big if he had 9T, and i had to call anyway, and if i bet small, hes gonna raise me for sure with 9T
2. if he had AQ, KQ, or even seven he might not bet, (because he just called my check raise on turn, this made me think he had AQ) so i have to bet here for value.
Final Pot CO wins and shows a straight, Eight to Queen.
BB lost and shows three of a kind, Jacks.
CO wins $90.42
Rake is $2.50
and yea, he had straight.

June 14, 2020 | 8:38 p.m.

Blinds: $0.25/$0.50 (5 Players) BB: $110.63
UTG: $99.84
CO: $70.97 (Hero)
BN: $70.25
SB: $23.70
Preflop ($0.75) Hero is CO with 8 8
UTG folds, Hero raises to $1.50, BN raises to $5.00, 2 folds, Hero calls $3.50
Flop ($10.75) 5 5 9
Hero checks, BN bets $3.00, Hero calls $3.00
Turn ($16.75) 5 5 9 Q
Hero checks, BN bets $10.00, Hero folds
Final Pot BN wins $15.91
Rake is $0.84

June 12, 2020 | 1:45 a.m.

Comment | suwasup commented on NL50 what he has??

also, what is your thought on open raise range when there is a limper who limps more than half of the time?

June 12, 2020 | 1:23 a.m.

Hand History | suwasup posted in NLHE: NL50 what he has??
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50 (5 Players) BB: $62.45
UTG: $43.95
CO: $39.49
BN: $54.64 (Hero)
SB: $69.54
Preflop ($0.75) Hero is BN with 8 Q
UTG calls $0.50, CO folds, Hero raises to $1.50, 2 folds, UTG calls $1.00
Flop ($3.75) 7 5 Q
UTG checks, Hero bets $1.17, UTG raises to $2.84, Hero raises to $6.50, UTG calls $3.66
Turn ($16.75) 7 5 Q 9
UTG checks, Hero bets $8.23, UTG calls $8.23
River ($33.21) 7 5 Q 9 3
UTG bets $27.72 and is all in, Hero folds
Final Pot UTG wins $31.55
Rake is $1.66

June 12, 2020 | 1:21 a.m.

I can see some hands prefers checking but you might not have them in your range.

thank you for you relpy

i dont quite understand this, can you please explain it. what do you mean i dont have them in my range? is it because my 3bet frequency is not very high?

June 12, 2020 | 1:04 a.m.

thank you for your common.

the reason for me to bet half pot size is
1) Im OOP, villain can call 1/3 PSB more often since he is IP(i find out most people would easily call 1/3 PSB with a lot of hand, thats why i dont like 1/3 PSB) . and this is all i thought at that movement. i know betting 1/3 pot size is what GTO suggest but i just dont get it especially when im oop.
2) I think this board is very good for me, I can have more Qx in my range, and villain just dont hit this board very often, so i basically cbet with everything in my range on this board. what do you think?

June 12, 2020 | 12:57 a.m.

Hand History | suwasup posted in NLHE: NL50 is it a good spot to double barrel?
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50 (6 Players) BN: $23.17
SB: $53.28
BB: $69.81 (Hero)
UTG: $136.27
MP: $69.89
CO: $51.25
Preflop ($0.75) Hero is BB with A K
UTG folds, MP raises to $1.25, 3 folds, Hero raises to $5.50, MP calls $4.25
Flop ($11.25) Q Q 8
Hero bets $5.35, MP calls $5.35
Turn ($21.95) Q Q 8 5
Hero checks, MP checks
River ($21.95) Q Q 8 5 3
Hero checks, MP checks
Final Pot BB lost and shows a pair of Queens.
MP wins and shows two pair, Queens and Eights.
MP wins $20.85
Rake is $1.10

June 11, 2020 | 3:09 a.m.

Not only that but we don't even need our call to be winning. It needs to make it so that we lose less than 1BB overal. Because if we just fold that's what would happen, lose a big blind.

This makes a lot of sense. Thank you very much

June 5, 2020 | 9:17 p.m.

Post | suwasup posted in NLHE: Question for BB defending

I am currently watching "From the Ground up" , and Peter mentioned that we should defend a wide range in BB against preflop opener because of the pot odds. Plus CO and BTN would open with a wide range( according to him, "high/low equity steal"), so that our hand such as Q5s wouldn't be too bad against their range.

but in micro and small stake, i dont think there are so many player would really steal the pot in position since their PFR is as low as 20-30 at CO/BTN,(I play NL50 on Pokerstar NJ) which means if we call with hands like Q5s, K4s, our hand is often dominated by their range, plus they are in position.

In this case, should we still defend blind with a wide range just because we have good pot odds?

June 4, 2020 | 7:16 p.m.

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