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I definitely shove river. Why wouldn't you? If you raise flop for value, improve vs most of villains range, why would you ever check back?

Think you played it well. If he has a set then so be it, you'll get em next time. NH

4bet pre, fold if they shove, but the 4bet can get called by worse. This is probs the worst flop for your hand. Dont think he has anywhere near enough bluffs that dont check flop (64s and Q10s) for that bet sizing. Think you can fold turn!

Readless i 4b and fold to turn bet. You have stronger hands that call 3bet OOP to check jam turn (sets two pair and a few FD for balance)

Think you can check this combo, not blocking Qs (somewhat relevant albeit not much). Would worry if you bet KQo here, what happens to your turn check range. Think the turn is a slight equity advantage for villain also. So if you check worse than this you dont block Kx apart from JJ, makes your river call range usually too weak.
As played bet/fold seems ok, however if you're folding so you don't call too much, then getting rid of worst kicker makes sense. However, if you're folding because you think he's never bluffing then folding all Kx makes sense.

Readless I say we try protect our turn checking range and give this a check, since the turn brings a bit more equity to villains range.

Also, your turn bet size is too large if you're folding top pair, since you'll be betting there a decent amount.

Dont think villains capped range check raises flop much, even to the small flop sizing

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What hands that are better are you folding out?

check river

Tom this post is a God-Send TY very much for being active and replying!

Jonna this is a brilliant post thanks!!!

Disharmonist sorry I'm coming from NL and still forget that its about equities and now see we are getting an insane price on our like mega draw.

Whats the min combo you bet twice for value here out of interest? From my perspective it would be 9T no redraw and 2 pair + FD or wrap + FD?

WP your reasoning makes sense with your line which is always nice, a good spot for all of us to learn from!

Bluechip do you see people shove worse than 109 here ever at your stakes? I'm playing much lower and just wondered if people ever bluff here with low SPR on turn?

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EDIT: meant combo draw like 97dd 87dd 98dd not just draws in general

I think we have to have some bluffs here, I would rather also take hands that block less of a fishs calling range that has no SD. However this is probs worst hand we turn up with and we have like 3 combos of straight + FD so I don't think adding those in does much harm.

But mostly I think we have better hands to value bet

Def check turn you have sets and two pairs to bet GII on turns mixed in with some FD that bet folds. If the turn goes x/b/c then you have far less SD than if the turn and river go x/x x/b/c. Checking turn also protects your checking range and doesn't let villain just blast river knowing you check Ace highs and weak hands after calling flop.

Think you have too many bluffs and not enough value hands to bet this size on the river. Id definitely bet 3/4-pot and polarise our range on the river. I wouldn't just target villains range, id think about how our whole range plays out on this run out. If I'm villain I call here 100% with anything I call two streets with.

Also I think its worth noting you block some of villains possible draws he can call/call with making his range slightly stronger. So with a smaller bet that's like 0 FE imo. Id rip pot here accept the fact ill get called a lot but make sure I rip Kx and boats for the same amount.

But if hes a fish I wouldn't worry about balancing too much and probs just bet a few missed draw combos with no SD like this one and rip the value for a heavy portion of river betting range.

think 4bet call pre is easiest and like neutral EV at 25nl and makes you harder to play against because you have that capability so I agree with Quido.

Otherwise hand plays itself IMO, just no FE when SPR is so low on the turn when villain bets, think we just peel until we hit or whatever. NH!