stanier101

I agree with both sides. most fish with a high VPIP are usually pretty nutted when they raise this turn mutliway. Im still never folding as we are never dead and the fish will sometimes bluff. I am however only calling with almost the top of my range in this spot. It looks a complicated spot but its not really, just dont get thinking fish is on some sick meta game and call here with like QJ or AQ.

well obviously rip it in on the turn, take those outs and then type 'nit' in the chat. easy shove if ten is the river card.

but in honesty check/fold turn , then shoving river if check/check is probably an okay line

if you think villain is capable of attacking when he sense you are weak you probably have to cry call river as played. he will have most sets maybe not 33. He can also have 56s if he recognises stack depth and positions.

Honestly I wouldn't mind check calling 3 streets with AA exactly against this villain type, you give him max chance to bluff and value town himself with hands like JJ QQ, AKs, AKo. There are very few scare cards and action killing cards on this run out. I also dont think this value cuts yourself with him checking down weak SDV if he is as aggro as you say.

more of a self induced downswing than a variance induced downswing.

I think its an easy flat ip, 4betting is pretty spew here with a hand as strong as 99. with villains stats as they are i'd completely polarise my 4bet range.

river raises at most micro limits are usually super nutted. its pretty rare a villain will use a blocker and check shove river or raise a river cbet as a bluff

you only have 6 combos of AA as bluff catchers that dont block his bluffs. I think I prefer betting river. Solution play uses this hand as a bet call. I think checking on this river just skews your range horribly.

I have no idea behind the thought process involved in this hand. Please tell me what range you're targeting on flop? And why check raise turn instead of just barreling after donk?

i like the 3 bet, flop is just give up. Id barrel with any back door flush draw/decent ish straight draw

fold pre, maybe flat suited A5s on button

how is does 28/22 = regfish??

Definitely size up on flop and personally Id just barrel turn and shove good rivers at a high frequency after he calls turn. If he raises turn its annoying cos he certainly has us beat.

When you plan to check call river you will have to be pretty certain this assumed 'reg fish' is capable of turning a hand into a bluff (you block most of his flush draws that would bluff).

An easy value bet on river IMO. he has way more worse 2 pairs and stubborn Kx than value hands that beat you.

outcome is irrelevant, I think you need to evaluate how your actions manipulate villains range. This is the third hand I've seen from you that starts with a bad call pre and is followed by pretty much blind aggression. Any half decent reg is going to punish you in spots like this where you are unbalanced.

As played check raising flop isn't the worst. Check fold turn. Villain can have a bunch of Ax combos that will never fold and you have 3 clean outs.

3bet or fold pre, almost always a fold tho. 3bet your suited 78.

how is villain totally crushed on turn? unless i'm missing something he has a tonne of Ax and plenty of suited diamond combos that continue. C/R turn is ambitious to say the least.

+1 to saulo ribeiro, 3betting this hand IP pre flop vs passive guy is fine. Calling is bad, continuing flop is disastrous.

As played on turn I suppose you block 89 and can rep it sometimes, if you take this line tho you have to bomb river to have any hope of generating EV. Checking back 9 high is never ever making you money.

not sure how villian reps thin? he can easily have all his boats here flatting from SB, 21/14 guys wont be 3betting small pairs from the SB IMO. So he can easily be super nutted here.

I think cbetting is fine with this exact combo, and then barreling when you improve on turn. Id check back all my non As AJ combo's. Calling turn as played is horrible IMO, he will occasionally just barrel a naked flush draw that picked up equity after you checked flop which you beat but still, you have so many better combos to continue with. I think calling river is disastrous against a 21/14 guy, you practically never win here.

oh and CBET give up turn is definitely the most -ev play and very very exploitable

definitely a triple, you block NFD obviously and you block some pretty relevant calling range hands like KQ etc.

If you're going to triple definitely need to bet bigger on flop, like 3/4 and turn. setting up river shove. half pot just wont get the job enough in a single raised pot where SPR is bigger

Yeah exactly so if villain knows you're raising all your value hands he can just donk any 2 cards and fold if you raise?

can just barrel here IMO. if you're not betting this exact combo multiway I think your continuing range will be way to strong (sets/big overpairs). Check calling flop is horrible IMO, you sacrifice way too much pure equity and can easily be floated and have to fold turn if you dont improve.

Barreling turn is fine, you have plenty of Kx. If villain flats 77-TT maybe JJ on flop as he likely raises sets and straights, you can just barrel on turn and river easily. Kuduku you say its not a scare card but villians likely flatting range on flop gets crushed by your Kx hands. Plus vs this Range you have plenty of outs + fold equity.

Check raising is overplaying this hand. Bloats pot, narrows his range to nutty Straights and Sets. if you turn an A or Q its super tough to know what to do. Creating a balanced check raise range that includes AQs is pretty tough IMO.

why raise fold flop ? eliminate all his bluffs and hands he thinks he is value betting that are worse.

As played easy value bet turn

A shove here would probably work against a competent opponent some of the time. Probably run a CREV sim to see how often, giving him calling range of all boats and A/K flushes. However generally what limp limpson said is correct. You'd have to have history or a soul read for this to really generate expected value

I think both of those assumptions can be dangerous. Why cant a good player lead here?

Not sure i'm thrilled about raising the flop. Unless the player is a major fish. You have the board locked up and against a Decent reg he will react very easily, i.e. shovel his 3 combos of 77, fold all his mediocre holdings. Unless you balance this by raising Kx for value, and i'm guessing you only have 12 combos of KTs, KJs, KQs to do that with after you flat pre, K7s as well if you flat that wide on the button. And then i'm trying to think of bluffs you'd raise here, 89s, 9T suits? Not many.

As played, cry call river.

Fold Pre, open J6s

check call turn, check decide river. Probably leading turn and river with Fd's and Straghts

Im not 100% sure Limp Limpson, but i think having the NFD blocker makes Cbetting this flop really bad. Blocking the NFD makes his continuing range stronger if we bet here.

I.e. if he Check raises his range is weighted more towards sets and made straights

Whereas if we dont have the NFD blocker villian can have a much wider range including many more semi-bluff combos. Even as low as a hand like A5,A4,A7 of hearts if he flats them OP pre. And since he is only folding to 3bets 29% of the time, he easily can.

The only combo I bet here out of my AxJx is probably AJ of spades. Checking back AhJx surely generates way more EV . When you say 'cbet, too much pure equity' I dont really know what you mean. This board is way better for his calling range IMO. He has all 16 combos of KQ, 9 combos of sets and as said before we block the majority of his bluffs. I think Cbetting here is burning money.

not sure what betting achieves in this spot. you have back door fd and tptk, if he check jams this board with QQ+, which is very possible you'll be in a real bad spot.

Just a thought, against a complete unknown maybe a flat pre is okay?

+1 to taaazz

played it really well. not sure about raising pre. Juices the pot when you'll be oop against a calling station and you generally make weak top pairs etc with this type of hand. Unless i'm loosing my mind a 50/1 player is loose passive not aggressive. River bet is close but seems fine. Well played.

I used to always 3bet in this spot not knowing if it was for value or a bluff. Seems thats whats happened here. Vs a tighter player surely a call is better, or occasionally turning your hand into a bluff pre flop since you can flop monsters and high equity hands if CO flats 3bet oop. Calling 4bet vs his strong range seems bad unless deeper.