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Hi, Phil. Fun to see a mix of MTT and cash games.

@6:07 regarding the J88 fold vs the 3barrel on QQJr Qs 6. Seems like an easy spot to overfold, and we're probably gonna be folding turn or river like 70+% if we only call down with KK+ and A/K88+. Our hand doesn't really block anything and I guess I'd rather call 3 barrels with AK72 than J883 but what's your default approach when deciding whether to defend or not at a reasonably high rate vs 3barrels in a spot where some/most underbluff? F.ex is it enough that you've seen him bluff in a sizeable pot, or does he have to be very aggro and seem capable of bluffing in spots where most dont bluff enough, or do you only call down close to MDF if you know your opponent is very strong and aggro?

Excellent video! Thank you for making it!

Brilliant! Are there any potential heuristics regarding 3-suited hands (flush on flop) since the 2nd NF+ will be less likely to get called down (whether betting or x-ring) and less likely to face bets after checking. I'm also curious about what the lowest flush OOP bets flop with, and if it ever takes a bet-xc-xc line with something like the 3rd/4th NF....

It would be very interesting to see (in a future video hopefully) what the weakest hand OOP xc down with after checking, as well as with which hands the solver goes bet-xc (flop-turn) or bet-xc-xc and bet-bet-xc (especially if it ever does so on a river brick).

Hi Richard, awesome video! How high is the rake in the "high rake environment" and "low rake environment"? Thanks

I like this format!

1) I would raise flop since we have great eq vs most hands, and even okish eq vs sets (except KK which is unlikely). As played it depends on his barreling tendencies, with no read I'm probably leaning towards a call and playing a river IP. Can't fault you for raising turn vs a guy that's drinking tho ;).

2) I would raise river esp since he's a fish. I assume live players aren't so afraid of KK that they would never RR K8xx ott (esp since he donked small and you didn't raise to pot). So even if his range is super strong and only consists of 88 and K8 there are more combos of K8 than 88, and since I assume he can't fold K8 to a river raise ai, easy raise otr (if stacks were very deep otr vs a tight guy that we know will fold K8 to a jam, calling makes sense).

Hi pokerinlondon,

Do you take breaks regularly when you play? The longer you play the more often you may need breaks, and those breaks may need to be even more refreshing when you're in you 7th hour compared to your 2nd hour.

Unless you feel like you get run over by other deep stacks, feel uncomfortable playing deep or find yourself check folding on the river after having called flop/turn or bet flop-called turn a lot etc or calling on the river with the worst hand often (read more than ~70%) in big pots when your stack is above 300bbs (if not all of the above) I would think it's more likely that it's your focus rather than your deep stack play that's causing a decrease in your winrate.

Most people can not focus effectively for more than 45-90 mins. Since you're a poker player that could very well be higher in your case, but often a live session goes on for 5-12 hours so unless everyone in your game has played as long as you have it makes sense that your winrate drops as the hours go on.

It took me years before I realized my winrate was basically cut by 50% hour 3, almost 0 after hour 4, so these days I'm very careful about playing longer than that in one session (there has to be a big fish just giving money away most hands).

Take a walk, get some fresh air, do some pushups in a place we're you dont look like a psycho or freak out the fish and that might help you get back to at least 90% of A+ focus.

Meditation and working out as well as cold showers are great to recharge as well if you have access to a quiet place in/near the poker room.

If that sounds boring or weird, you could try to add 10 mins to your sessions every week and thereby get a slow incremental increase to your playing time as well as your mental stamina/focus training. But taking a 10-15min walk outside and getting some fresh air should be doable.

Chris Primmer and Tommy Angelo have some great videos on the topics of meditation/recharging so I would check them out if you haven't already.

Thanks for your input erdian. It's not live btw, Villain sat down "metaphorically" :)

Interesting that you think it's a an easier call live, I'll keep that in mind that LAGs are more aggro in general in these spots next time I play at the casino. Does the fact that it's online change the way you wanna play the hand?

Great video!

I agree we are not that high up in our range. I see now that my comment in my original post was a little sloppy. I just meant we are high enough in our range to consider calling if we wanna prevent villain from auto (semi-)bluffing profitably.

If we fold this villain should always bluff this turn right? I am totally on board with the idea that the average unknown player albeit aggresseive doesn't bluff all his air on this turn and/or may not have a lot of air in his get-to-turn range to begin with.

Which is the weakest hand you think I should call with on this turn MegaGrinder?

Ah, ic see i forgot to add that. We're 200bbs eff, 2-way to the flop. Villain raised otb 3-handed, SB folded, I called.

Great video! Regarding the hand charts for UTG, are they for 40bb effective "only"? There were some hands in there I never really open from UTG 100-200bbs deep (mainly the Axxx ds with 3 sidecards 7 and lower), but also a couple of hands I normally do open (and win with, at least so far) that would be ranked as worse than some of the hands in the chart. Do you think someone who never plays with less than 100bbs at the table should alter their opening ranges after seeing that chart for the first time assuming the player is winning with similarly ranked hands, or should a player like that study the charts as a theoretical exercise only? Since I don't have a super computer to run pre-flop sims I am totally clueless as to how opening ranges would change when going from a 40bb stack to a 100bb stack.

Really interesting video, great job! It surprised me a little bit that when BB probes for 25%pot on a river 9, he only defends vs a BTN pot raise ~41% of the time. Do you have an explanation for this?

Cool video. I liked the breakdown of the one hand even if it took half the video. Richard did warn ppl who might not be interested in this sort of stuff to skip the 2nd half of the video.

Fold flop, should probably fold pre also with a hand that's less connected than it seems, and the 3-suit variety hurts the strength of the hand. I'd def raise it pre if the blinds are nits or the sb is tightish and the bb is a passive fish.

Are there any games to join if you arent part of a club / havent been invited to one? If any1 would like to invite me to their club, that would be fantastic....Im horrible at PLO

Its really close. If he is capable of aggression in this way with other hands than top2+ I would ship it in on the turn. Vs a similar range to the one you described we have 37%. Co is rarely slowplaying, he will show up with 88/55 that he played passively to see a safe turn very rarely but will be priced in very often with his big FDs / wraps / pair+nutOE if we just call.

I assumed BB plays around 70% of his hands from this spot (minus a 4% squeezing range).

55+
Add:85+
76+:Add,97+:Kdd+,J9+:Qdd+
AT:Add w/o pocket pair
T8:96+
J9T5,T975

~50% sets, ~30% OE+FD

Vs this range we have 37% and we need 41% to BE. Since calling is going to give us a headache on most rivers if CO over calls, we should either raise or fold ott imo. BB doesn't need to add a lot of bet-folds and/or be a little wider for this to be a clear +EV shove (he probably has a bet-fold % under 10%). I rarely play live PLO though so take it with a grain of salt, if your gut feeling tells you that this is a set the vast majority of the time then I'm ok with a fold.

Vs this range for example, we have 48%

55+
Add:85+
76+:dd
AT:Add
T8:96+
J9T5,T975
T+:96+:Kdd+,85+:J9,QJT5,T8:64+

~30% sets, and 60% OE+FD

Very close spot, vs a nit its an easy fold actually but vs any1 who donks at a medium-high frequency and is capable of playing other hands than set/top2+backup like this with any significant frequency we can't fold. His post flop aggression (your estimate of the width of his donking range and his tendency to follow up with a big barrel rather than going for a x-c ott) would be a bigger factor in my decision making process rather than his pre flop splashyness. Since you play these stakes Im sure you know that, but a very loose range hits this board harder than a tight range at least in terms of sets so if you havent seen him doing a lot of betting post flop I would lean towards a fold unless his flop donking range is very wide (like most Tens up, any GS with a decent FD) in which case I would just assume that he has so many draws and two pairs worse than ours that we cant make a nitty hero fold.

Are there any Ax trips with a pocket pair or a draw in the "Ax trips"-subrange? Eg would A884+NFD on 443fd count as Ax-trips, Trips+draw, Trips+pocket pair or all of the above?

Limp-reraising some of your AA and your best KK and potentially some other premiums from EP and maybe MP will probably serve you very well in order to thin the field and pump a bunch of money in pre-flop with a nice equity edge. This is assuming you can get the SPR down to a low enough number where post-flop play won't be difficult (4 or lower is fine with like AAds/KKds with connected sidecards, ideally 2 or lower with AAss and KKss). When you open from EP/MP you can expect to get 3-5 callers+ so limp-reraising is a nice way to get the maximum from your premium AA/KK and exploit ppl who will happily call any 4 vs an open. Obv ppl need to iso your limps often for this to be a good strat. The added benefit to l-rr often is that you can add some weaker hands and plan to limp-call that still have nutted qualities (eg AQJ5 with a nut suit or disconnected KKss) expecting to see a flop for cheap since they will fear the l-rr.

What MegaGrinder said is a good starting point for hand selection if your new to PLO. Re top gap hands, they flop more wraps than middle/bottom gap so if you have high cards like AQJT or KJT9 ideally with a A/K-high suit they can still be playable since most of their straights are nutted (AQJT only makes nut straights) even if the plan is to only play nutted hands.

Great answer, thank you!

So good I'm gonna have to watch it twice! I would love to see a video on "Barreling turns after flop xr bb vs btn".

Excellent video!
I hate to ask a very general question like this one but: what is your default approach (vs unknown f.ex) to situations where you've cb a 2-tone flop IP with a set/top2 100bbs deep and a straight hits that's not the most likely straight for your opponent to have hit or his range contains plenty of other hands and draws that will check-call (let's say he has it 10-20% of the time) and barreling the turn would mostly end up being a protection/charging bet since v-betting the river would be optimistic if not downright bad? Let's say you have JJ97 on JT7s and the turn is a Q (3 straights but villain will only x-r one of them and AK is less likely than KQ/Q9) in the CO vs BB with 20bbs in the pot and stacks are about 90 or perhaps QT85 on T84s Q with similar stacks is a better example.

In both spots we cant v-bet most rivers, and it may even be too thin to v-bet on a brick vs an opponent who is unwilling to hero call or defend appropriately. We won't make any mistakes vs his raising range (assuming he only x-r the nuts) but bet-folding - at least if we have a set - is kinda gross since we almost have the equity to call vs the raise.

However, checking back will give free cards to plenty of hands with 20-30% eq and some of them may fold on the turn if we bet and villain will be able to take the pot away from us if we check back turn when for example he bets the river on a card that's really bad for our hand with a missed draw repping the one that hit. With a set especially we also wanna build the pot for the times we fill up which is an incentive to bet.

If you're uncomfortable to answer a super general question like this one feel free to come up with a board example of your own if that would help to clarify your point (if it doesn't take up too much of your time).

I would appreciate any thoughts.

Thanks!

~ min 14. Is the AJ76ds a standard 3b for you SB vs CO vs an unknown? Just wondering if you 3b because you thought he opened "too wide" (he seemed pretty active in the small sample) or if you think it's strong enough/plays well enough OOP to 3b as a default even though we are probably not pushing eq vs a 25% range.

P.S Great SN!

I don't think I would have been as tempted to 4b as I was, if a call vs the 3b by me would have created a heads up pot IP. Any merit in 4-betting wider to avoid playing a 3-way pot with poor relative position even with hands that arent pushing an significant EQ edge? Or rather, is this factor ever important enough for you to 4b a hand (especially deep) to avoid playing with poor relative position post flop that you wouldn't 4b if you had good relative position or the pot would go heads-up to the flop if you call?

How about a low board OOP as the 3-bettor? Either deep or a board/SPR where the 3bettor can not obviously just pot-bet a large fraction of his range. I'll think about this and see if I can come up with something better / more nuanced.

That makes it an easy shove with the K622-hand. One thing to keep in mind is that even aggro players who pot-cb with air when spr is higher like ~4+ and then go on to fold vs a raise may not have many bet folds when spr is lower like ~2. If the board is such that it contains no draw vs the current nuts (monochrome or paired) they may be unusually value heavy. The K653 on QQ2s hand I would however take as evidence that he isnt that type of player and hes prob capable of bluffing off his stack whenever. So no sweat, wp & gl!

My guess in my previous comment was a little optimistic. We have about 28% vs a get it in range of 2p+ which I assume he doesnt fold with these odds. If he folds 65 and gii with K5+ then our eq drops to 23%. vs all K5+ and all wraps we have about 26% (assuming a raise pre flop of 50%, the wider he raises pre the more feq and/or eq vs his gii range we will have as he will have fewer flushes and sets the junkier his pre flop range is).

Here's an EV calc assuming top50% pre flop and 28%eq vs a gii-range:

when he folds F we win 2.92

when he calls (1-F) we lose 0.91

2.92F - 0.91(1-F) = 0

2.92F - 0.91 + 0.91F = 0

3.83F = 0.91

F ~ 0.24 (24%)

So a fold equity above 24% (lets call it 30% if we think we have less than 28% eq vs his gii range) is needed to reach the breakeven point.

The Ad is his main bet-folding hand, he will have the Ad (no flush or 2p+) about 5% of the time so it would be -EV to shove vs a range that only contains that hand as a bet-fold. Throw in a few blocker bluffs that he will bet-fold or total air for that matter like Qd,Jd,Td or AA/K no flush or draw and he will easily end up betting so many non K6+ hands that a shove is +EV.

To put it in perspective, a betting range of 2p+,Ad,pair+wrap,K:87 makes up ~40% of his pre flop range, which isnt that aggressive...an aggro opponent could easily cb this flop (altho perhaps not for pot) upwards of 60-70% at which point it will contain so many bet-folds or weaker gii hands that our shove is easily +EV.