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im not a fan of checking the flop....imo it shows you are a little worried about the Ac and lets him see another card in position and have pot control.......however on the flip side I dont think that villain is going to fold to a flop bet and bigger turn bet enough times with his hand to make a difference it seems that he just had you in this spot :(

how often would he continue with AAxx on turn? seems like villain is only calling river with better since you are polarized on river to simply flush/straight/air.....what im trying to say is that would it have been possible to put him on more than dry aces and nut flush blocker and been more conservative on the river with your range (once board pairs), you aren't exactly playing this hand aggressively to begin with so not pulling the trigger might be ok?

maybe im just a fish but i dont mind pre 3b since button range will be wider, villain may adjust his range slightly to inlcude more hands anyway.....i agree that you have to cbet flop to prevent a face up range, i think that 60$ is an ok sizing it may tempt villain to continue with mediocre hands if he feels you are cbtting frequently

I dont think there is any way T9 99, or 89 would call a pretty large turn bet from the preflop opener

Yeah this is pretty uncomfortable, although betting flop and on the turn, then checking the river seems a little strange to me. If you are going to bet turn imo you have to triple barrel to widen your range beyond busted spade draws, weak two pairs. I feel like a hands like AK75 T975 or many pairs QQ JJ AA with two clubs could be possible.

I would check turn and bet around 3/4 on most rivers

paired board with no flush draws.....I would check flop, we are oop and have decent value, but I would try to keep the pot size in control right now. even though we did 4b I think it is ok to check here since a bet isn't going to get many folds and there are too many Jacks in villans calling range......turn is tough but folding here is good imo even though he could be shoving with a queen our hand doesnt have a lot of outs to improve

I honestly think this is a call, although i am not comfortable by any means......9T, 34 or 4x and 9x has too few outs on the flop to really continue. A4 or Ax hands often raise on flop but maybe he could show up with hands like A7 or A5.....two pair hands like 65 75 or even 87 suited seem most probable.

either way you are ahead of enough of his range imo to call, especially if he is an agro fish

yeah after a good nights sleep ive decided my comment about 88 and 6x is very wrong....with stacks this deep and in position just calling would be correct i think..

would villain be value betting thin here often? especially since hero said he caught him before a few times.....

I like to cbet paired boards a lot because statistically they miss opponents range more often.....but I like your oop check against agro villain, its tricky in this case and includes more over card combos in your range AK-AJ KQ,KJ, And even JT.....

I feel like villian has a pretty strong pair here almost always, and 88 or a 6 would re shove turn

river shove is ok if you do that with mostly all of your range, with pot odds he has to be pretty good to call

any trips on board for villans would give them a boat (22,33,88 or 8T), only beating overcards and missed draws.... I would check back here expecting to be good but I think that you are only getting called by better

this hand really confuses me. I feel like his check/call range is going to include JQ KJ AJ maybe even J9 suited and 99/88...Wouldn't he bet turn since he is already pot committed and could get it in on the river??....he doesn't seem too concerned with your range improving since he checked turn

I just think that if he were ahead on turn he would bet expecting value since you cbet in a multi weigh pot after a late position 3 bet

4x blind open with 77?? even though you're super deep you might be bleeding chips if you do that often....other than that you seem to be crushing most ranges

oop on a paired board and flush draw with a mediocre hand.....just seems like you are making life hard for yourself. I feel like villain with TT JJ and Qx is always calling, plus and suited diamond hand is calling....The turn changed almost nothing so you basically polarize yourself to having a 2 or a bluff imo...and considering you opened pre flop a 2 is unlikely and villan probably just figured you had a Kx, Ax, or missed draw type hand ...

I would x/c turn

normally I would say cbet with mostly all your range, but be wary that against tighter players their calling range could have you dominated a lot. 1/2 pot is good maybe even less than 1/2 so you can keep the pot size in control. This spot specifically I would expect villain to continue with all flushes with the As and Js on the flop

Samu: so our preflop 4 bet range wouldn't lead on a multi draw, paired board? yeah i guess the villain check back would induce our weaker hands to continue.....it just seems to me like our hand is face up by checking flop and turn.....but its probably -ev like you said to bet turn since villain wont fold often enough

what about taking a stab at the pot on the turn?.....turn card would block some Ax hand ranges in my mind a little, and if another spade comes you can turn your hand into a bluff with the second nut flush blocker....not to mention the king and jack outs you have

My initial thought was to go ahead and bet river, and if sb is folding a high percentage at least you hide your hand information and possibly set up future 3 barrels on drawish boards. However I don't think that even your button range is going to be wide enough in opponents eyes to call any value bet here, but checking may induce some semi bluffs with sets or weaker flushes. Maybe a fishy bet that's less than 1/2 pot would look terrible enough for some bluff raises and call downs?

personally im very confused by his check call on the turn as his range seems beat a large percentage of the time to continue oop and even a 5 here wont improve often enough imo to face a river bet.....and would KK check call the turn?