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~min3 the KK hand, what would you do if he had raised or shoved turn?or how would you decide what to do?

not sure If I agree with your cr min 22 left table wih K5o, but that is because I just dont see him betfolding into 3 People for a single raise, especially because you are last one to act aswell against his bet, so it doesnt show as much strength.
Then again he didnt cbet flop, is your marking of him(turquoise) for loose passive?Or what do you put him on?Id guess he has a PP below Jx alot if he is that kind of player.
Also min27 right table:shouldnt the KTo player raise the flop lead instead of turn?
Btw is there still enough LHE going on stars?I used to play alot of LHE on ipoker until it basically died off.(midstakes)

why do you think I linked a pokerhand too?sorry but converter doesnt accept this site.

idk, seems like I found the Hand more interesting than most others here.Also dont you think it would be better if you 4bet fold some hand with blocker Value?because if its in the bluffrange then it doesnt matter what we hold,right?and then Id rather 4bet some Ax hand.Which comes back to if 4bet sucks(due to 4bet-folding) if coldcalling 3bets suck(also curious as to what you play here then if you have no coldcall 3bet range in BB,just 4bet top 2% [QQ+,AKs]? and fold everything else,w very few Ax bluffs?@disharmonist
This then leaves folding as the best option and this is what I wanted to know,if People fold in this spot preflop.
The thing with calling is, my Hand is pretty faceup, even as played the turn isnt totally clear either if bet or check, will check Pio for that, and additionaly opponent makes the good river bet which also puts me in an akward spot.I actually maybe should have called it given Jacks is pretty much my best hand, but I noted that above already.

I would cbet smaller but I generally currently dont cbet much and usually not very big either.on this kind of board as played I would bet 10ish but whatever.What I dont like about this Hand is that you have the total blockers to 86,87 and 89.so you block value and also bluffs.
Its really not easy to say I definately been going broke in such spots before since I have LHE background ; D.Id guys like him also play A5 or 56 like this I think.and also betting 40 into 90, I probably really go broke here and take a note if he had a 7 and bet below halfpot on turn.

cant you solve this directly with a solver?should be doable

yes I meant postflop 1-alpha,so to be totally clear lets say opponet cbets halfpot.so 50 into 100.
thats equal to 1:2 and then 1/(1+2)=33%=alpha. then 1-minus alpha is 66%.Just imagine that, you defend vs UTG open and it comes AKJ or something like that.how in the world do you want to defend 66% on that board?btw thats also the reason why villian can bet this small, he has such a range advantage that he has to give us great odds.
So yes, keep that in Mind.In regards to actual frequences I cant really help you since Im not sure myself tbh, at least preflop what to 3bet and with which frequencies.

btw just for support.I think this topic simply isnt easy, there is a reason why most People still dont understand this well(myself included).its like chess theory in a way, its openly available but its dry and until a certain strong Level People dont even use it.So have some Patience with yourself

Hello,just regarding MDF and 3bet pots etc, because you seem a bit confused around the topic.Id just like to clarify(hopefully correctly lol).okay so assuming you open BTN or basically whatever and blinds 3bet.now opponent gives himself and you some certain odds.you can calculate this easily and get x %,say 33%.so mathematically it would be correct to defend 33%against his 3bet to prevent him from auto profit.BUT this is basically assuming you call pre and hes like..okay whatever I openfold.so the moment he has equity,say he only continues with flopped nutz and sets on the flop, then your defense frequency is already too low because of that.the 33%(MDF) would be correct if you have no calling frequency but only 4bet, which is unrealistic.
Im not sure if this really helps you, but I also wanted to say regarding 1-alpha defense, you have to see this with broad strokes, its not that you defend 1-alpha on every flop, on some you defend alot less(assymetric ranges->favorable flops) on some you defend alot more, but it should average out somewhere near 1-alpha.

there are some good basic vids on another site.in regards to counting go from lowest to highest and count ace for 1.eg. facecards AA38K then u say to yourself 1138K for 2 or 3 times, works pretty well for me atleast.now knowing all the suits too is a different matter,I usually just know ..2hearts out or something like that, not specific suits/cards.

Im not playing NL regulary, but still found it a bit too general to be honest,the onedrop hand is incredible tho for this Video I would have liked the Dwan/Ivey Hand on HSP alot more,the 98ss vs A6dd.I still cant believe that Ivey was seriously thinking about a call on the river and maybe would have, if not disrupted by the others.

I have a rather general question and I actually wonder about this quite a bit, a "stronger" example would be PAD Plo week, where People defend and coldcall hands Id never play.Same applies actually here w Q875hhh and also the last Hand AJ64hhh(which I can see,but Id prolly only call to a minraise).

SO whats the take on that from the highstakesplayers, I assume its because of postflop edges, but I simply cant see how they can be that big to justify playing those hands?

Anyway, Im kinda confused I must admit..or do you have to add these sort of hands in sometimes or otherwise really good Players can simply read you too well?Like for me in LHE I dont 3bet the Bigblind against UTG/+1 open in a 6max game because its just too easy to play against your range since its so faceup generally.

edit:Did like the video otherwise too : )!

Im not sure if I grasped why he cant play a J7(JJ7) like this,or was that also due to betsizes on earlier streets or again on the river?sorry,maybe I overheard it,being tired right now.
seems like he played it well if hed just bet ~4k on the river instead of pot, I rly dont like his preflopcall tho.
Also on low/midstakes it is almost certainly a fold against at least 95 out of 100regs Id guess, at least I havent seen such things,.
Nice video/good hands!

idk which stakes u play but on mid/highstakes alot of flops get c/r simply because its cheaper w bluffs and u can barrel ppl of scarecards later if they come wheres they check turns back a bit w ahighs hands.
anyway,witzhout beeing to specific, ppl do fold to c/r on turns a bit but it obv depends on the player but idk why thats a problem?if it works well for u keep your daws til turn and c/r em, like oesd,fddraws everything w no sdvalue

just finished reading, I do agree generally with you, personally I was wondering tho what he is barreling with because honestly, most ppl would pot the flop and try to get it in//get in on the turn if called on flop(w topsetish hands).
So given that Im kinda curious what he is betting the turn with, I mean maybe Im overthinking this,but given stacksizes and how the hand plays I wouldnt really be comfortable if I was in his shoes w sth like a nfd/pair or overpair..so Im not sure if im leveling myself weighting his range too much toward str8s.
What Im also curious about is his sizing, I honestly dont know why he is betting this amount and not pot, no matter with which hands.or if it is exactely because of what I said above about my perceived range.
sorry for random rant/thoughts.

hey,gonna read your post in a sec, I do use a hud but I have only 95hands on him which..well, idk didnt mean much to me, and gives me also no clue about his sbrange.
nontheless its 33/24.4/94. vp/pfr/3bet flopcbet 78%,fold to flopraise 66%(again w grain of salt)

have also the same problem,no matter which browser or PC

http://propokertools.com/simulations/graph?g=oh&h1=AhKdKcTh&h2=AA%2A%2A&s=generic

Im actually also rly not used to playing this deep and rarely a designated HU match. However, I would have played it the same..idk whenever I get cute in such spots it usually backfires.I mean geez, u think he could fold overpair/pair+ nfd here?Id guess no, and given that I like the play.

thanks for clarifying, I definately have to start thinking like that about hands

to the ppl advocating a flop c/r fistpumping//what do u put SBs range on here?do u rly think it shouldt influence the decision to ship it in at all?

just realized I guessed twice about a thing ; p

I havent looked it the way you say,and it makes sense to me.just one thing, which actually is neither a con/pro I could have AA** in this spot, esp some weak ones Im not going crazy about w a 4bet pre this deep so a Hand like AA37s is def possible.
Just one thing, so if I read it right your more interested in protection//realizing equity than Value?Because I really did except CO to cbet this sort of flop all the time, against a more passive one I would lead.
However, after SB coldcalled I was in a mehish spot and I admit I do see value in shutting SB out aswell.

Thanks for all the input,Im honestly surprised that so many of u would raise the flop. Simply because there are so many shitty cards on the turn and I have no idea if I wanna lay it down to a bet/3bet OTF.On the other hand what am I gonna raise if not hands like these.
I do agree with the fact that his turnraise doesnt mak much sense and Im on the nittier side aswell, I totally could have a KJxx here w a weak pair or sth like that

Im curious about this too,but afaik Id say it depends alot on what Villian is capable to show up with. Like if hes range is purely bluffcatchers then u make potsized/overbets, otherwise adjust.
Take what I said with a grain of salt tho

I usually never play this high(fortunately given my skills) so unfortunately I cant give you too much info on opponent. he was 44/37/28.5 3bet/2.8 aggro over a very small sample,like 40Hands.
He did stack off a few hands before w Q987ds after sqeezing it in the blinds and bet/calling on KJ6 w GS+qhigh fddraw.