rickybobby1
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Hey I'm wondering how do people calculate multiway PKO allin spots. I try to go by equity discount type of way but I think for multway I have to use the bounty amount to chip value and calculate just based on pot odds adding in the extra chips.
This is the spot, I need 39% equity based on pot odds but I think extra chip value is about 33-50% of starting stack which was 3000 in this mtt. I'm not going to figure out exactly what it is but in this spot I assume it's (34% so 34% x 3000 x 2) to account for both players PKO so that would make it an extra 2000 chips in the pot roughly and I have to call 1680 to win 6300 so I need 26.7% equity against both ranges.
Am I getting the values and math right?
Jan. 30, 2022 | 7:04 a.m.
Doug Polk is a beast and he for sure memorized the right bluff to value ratios amd has done a ton of work with his postflop strategy to know proper turn bluff ratios which are roughly 1:1 to set up optimal river bluffing frequencies. He’s worked out the best hands and give up etc.
Oct. 20, 2021 | 9:16 a.m.
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Jan. 28, 2019 | 9:43 a.m.
Hey guys I'm a low stakes grinder hoping to split the cost of buying hand histories to study population.
It would be sweet to get a group of 10 or so since they are pretty expensive.
hhsale.com has monthly subscriptions for individual tournament IDs.
Depending on how many people we get for a group, we could buy a lot of HHs.
I'm hoping to spend about $50-$200 each. I'd buy MTT HH for pokerstars, partypoker and 888.
I might buy everything from $11-$55 but possibly even $1 to $215 if there were enough people.
PM me if you're interested and I'll get something going or started when there are 3 or 4 people.
Jan. 28, 2019 | 9:42 a.m.
I think it's just a jam. Induce ranges are probably only QQ+ for ICM in this situation and you could widen it to JJ,AK if people are super loose maybe? It's probably a good general rule just to remember whenever you're a midstack you can induce QQ+ for sure and maybe JJ+/AK. Play around with solvers though to check on that I haven't checked in a long time.
Jan. 28, 2019 | 9:35 a.m.
Awesome stuff man I look forward to your videos. I just discovered how little OOP should be cbetting vs good players IP (who know how to exploit and punish players for cbetting too much OOP) and I'm a little choked everybody who watches will also know :P.
Sept. 22, 2016 | 1:42 a.m.
Funny I was just playing around with this today. You can see ranges change so much if you give everyone 10bbs compared to if you shove 10bbs utg and everyone else has 15bbs nash says you can shove your 10bbs a bit wider.
Sept. 8, 2016 | 1:14 a.m.
Sorry I watched a bit further and read comments and see I'm not the only one wondering about that. Pretty sick I remember seeing you raise/call JTo vs a resteal jam for 30bbs and thinking that you must just be putting them on low pocket pairs.
Sept. 6, 2016 | 3:34 p.m.
You don't think people ever balance their 25bb late position shoves maybe A2-A5s?
Sept. 6, 2016 | 3:25 p.m.
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Sept. 1, 2016 | 12:07 p.m.
This is an awesome question I've been working on these BU, SB, BU 20-25bb spots and I wonder what people think. I think vs a solid player like ZJ, you should have a jamming range, a raising range and also a limp-call and limp-jam range.
I haven't worked on these ranges and should use programs to construct them but I'll try to spit out what I would do in game.
Since SB is a fish I don't expect him to 3-bet jam wide enough and for sure not call properly vs jams. ZJ sees you as a random and I doubt he will call your jams close to nash.
For 23bbs effective, A5o is an unexploitable jam. I think having a polar raising range in this spot is good and going with 3x might be best and including A5o in the 3x/fold to ZJs jam range.
I think a decent shoving range is:
A6o-A8o,
A2-A6s,
33-55,
KTo
K5s-K8s,
Q6-Q9s,
J7-J8s,
T7-T8s
97s which are all unexploitable jams (10.4%)
A limping range could look like:
22, ATo, K9s-KJs, Q9s-QJs, J9s-JTs, T9s, 98s, 87s, 76s, 65s for suited hands
AA, KK for pairs
KJo, QTo-QJo, JTo (10.7%)
Of those limped hands I'd jam 22, ATo
Raise a range for value that could call a 3-bet jam like 66-QQ, A9o, AJo-AKo, A7s+, KQ (9.2%)
Raise fold a range like A2-A5o, K6-K9o,Q8-Q9o, J8-J9o, T8-T9o, 98o, 43s, 54s, 64s, 75s, 86s, 96s, T6s, J6s (14.9%)
I think altogether with this range it's a range of 45% of hands which seems like a good amount I think 35-40% might be too tight but you can easily adjust to make it that small.
July 25, 2016 | 9:35 a.m.
A video or a series of videos on leading out of the big blind and small blind in heads up pots and multiway pots as well as check raising in heads up and multiway pots. It would be great to get a rundown of ranges and boards to use.
Also if a pro or anybody reads this and has solid strategy for it and wants to coach me send me a message.
July 25, 2016 | 8:20 a.m.
I think river I would just check/call again as played.
July 25, 2016 | 8:15 a.m.
I like the turn check, the king hits his check back range and is a card he will delayed cbet often. On river I think just bet calling is the only way. When he raises and you reraise and he comes over the top I don't think people bluff like that and that he has 8s which make sense the way he played it.
July 25, 2016 | 8:10 a.m.
Very good stuff
June 22, 2016 | 12:49 p.m.
Great video, in that K6o hand I agree with the XC on flop and do so as well partially because like people said we don't really have many Ax so we aren't repping much value. I wonder what piosolver does choose to shove and if it includes most draws.
If we shove most draws, our river range is pretty weak so I guess K6 is near the bottom of our range. My question is what other value hands do you shove on river that get to the river like this?
Also since we don't have many bluffs to protect is bet folding river a good option?
April 7, 2016 | 2:56 p.m.
A time limit for playing hours per week or total mtts/sngs would be good but it lowers profits so I can't see that being done.
April 5, 2016 | 5:31 a.m.
Hi good video, I'm just wondering if you're bet folding KK, which hands do you have in your range that can bet/call that you would play the same way?
March 18, 2016 | 7:23 a.m.
I'd be interested to hear what people think of the KJs fold on the final table
March 16, 2016 | 7:51 a.m.
I wonder as well what is best here.
March 1, 2016 | 7:08 a.m.
I agree it would be great to see how a high roller turbo plays out.
Feb. 3, 2016 | 8:25 a.m.
This format is the nuts awesome thanks man
Jan. 6, 2016 | 3:28 a.m.
I play a more passive style postflop as well and I'll be interested in seeing how you do it in your next videos
Jan. 6, 2016 | 2:03 a.m.
Hi I really like the video format.
I found your lead with 77 interesting in the left table from SB on the Q42 2t after flatting Jbrowns BU steal. I see the reasoning to bet for protection against bluffs that barrel but do you really lead with all your Qx as well or what is your leading range? Do you only specifically lead the vulnerable hands like 77 and how do you balance it? I ask because this is a play I never really considered, I always just check call with my entire range and don't lead or check raise this board in this situation.
Jan. 5, 2016 | 5:47 a.m.
Hi great video. With the AQs spot on the button with 33 bbs vs a co steal what is your 3-bet jamming range? Assuming you have one.
Jan. 5, 2016 | 4:34 a.m.
Hmm does anyone 3x pre at basically 25bbs deep? For many reasons including narrowing his range and making it slightly easier to define I think I'd 3x or at a minimum if he was on the tighter side and folding to steals often, I'd 2.5x. As played I'd barrel King card because you'd normally barrel a King and the board is super drawy now because of his existing flop flush draws and his backdoor flush draws that just turned to flush draws. I think flush draws are big part of his range as he'd flat suited hands more and 3-bet non-suited hands more often. So as played on river I'd call as well.
May 14, 2015 | 2:55 a.m.
As a general tip if you're going to play those hands its best to play them as the agressor, open raising or 3-betting instead of calling raises with them. When you pair your ace you have to think about what makes sense. If your opponent raised from early position and you called with A8 when you hit an ace on a A42 board and your opponent is showing aggression if he plays standard you have to be worried your kicker is no good.
April 11, 2013 | 5:19 a.m.
Maybe I'd do it against passive fish when I'm in late position or against regs who have good reshove stacks but whose stacks are to big to shove over a limp but limping in early position just doesn't seem right.
With 5 stacks left to act if they all shove 10-15% of hands over your limp, you're getting shoved on 50-75% of the time.
Hey great thread any updates? I’ll check out the stream and pm you about strategy. I’m just starting to get into PLO5 and I noticed the same things as you that players under bluff in all spots and overfold. A lot of pots are multiway or have limpers and I’m trying to create good ranges for isolating players.
Sept. 3, 2024 | 5:35 a.m.