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Hey everyone,
I was wondering if someone could give me some reasonings/explanations for why the standard 3b sizings have seemed to increase? I play mostly live in LV and some online out here (small site intra state) so i havent been too keen on the ever changing world of online poker adjustments/fluctuations. However, in videos ive been seeing (mostly sauces actually lol) seems like the standard size is now more of 4x-5x where it used to be 3x-3.5x
Thanks for help!
April 9, 2016 | 8:41 a.m.
Hello boss,
Around 24 mins we open KQhh 2.5x mp and bb fun player calls, we check back AsQs6c, and call half pot on 2sss, but fold pretty quickly to half on Jd. This seems pretty close to me, jus because im sure were betting most of our Ax on the flop altho im sure we got some in our check back range. Also we dont block a spade that he could jus bet turn and barrel river with. Additionally we block KT and some two pairs with the Q. As far as better hands we can have, like QJs, maybe JJ (but that might jus fold turn since we check back Qx and some Ax right), and maybe some 6Xss.
Isnt KQhh gonna end up being a call on the river vs a half pot bet?
Thanks,
Feb. 17, 2016 | 5:10 a.m.
around 12 mins we open QTo 2.3x btn and face a 4.3x 3b from sb, were 180bb deep and fold, isnt this quite a tight fold here? i mean im sure we value some suited cards better but isnt QTo still a call? i noticed ur opening fairly tight on button so maybe that contributes but.. i guess were deeper so the reverse implied odds are a little more of a negative factor to this particular hand? I mean if sb is 3betting a linear range then i guess reverse implied odds are a big factor here jus struck me as seeming like it would be hard to achieve the correct defense frequency folding hands as good as this, im sure im wrong tho if you folded...
thanks for vid!
Feb. 14, 2016 | 1:28 p.m.
nice vid,
any opinion/ideas on gto solver vs pio solver?
Feb. 13, 2016 | 9:45 a.m.
absolutely great vid. thanks for making it
Jan. 25, 2016 | 11:39 a.m.
if someone opens 3x button and bb 3b to 9x then isn't he risking 9-1(his bb)=8 to win 4(in headsup) or 4.5(not headsup)
and also in the EV formula where you calculated when a bluff has equity and put:
EV (3-bet-bluff w EQ) = (0.667 * 4.5) + (0.10 * -9) + (0.233 * (0.8 * -9 + 0.2 * 4.5)) = +0.63
wouldn't the .2 part be multiplied by more than 4.5? since when we 3b and he called we're winning his 9 right?
anyways I understand the point, the EV is changed (increased) when we realize some of our equity when bluffing
so you recommend using the mdf to analyze hands as a baseline and then tweaking it based on certain factors?
thanks guy for the answers/discussion tho. def gave me more to think about as I pursue this problem
Dec. 17, 2015 | 10:59 a.m.
that is helpful, well at least in refuting the use of MDF preflop. but I'm still confused about how to go about estimating a frequency then.
and when you say 1-alpha, you're talking about the MDF post flop ?
Dec. 17, 2015 | 8:27 a.m.
Im struggling to figure out how to go about coming up with different frequencies preflop (and postflop). I sort of just estimated my ranges so far in different situations based on personal experience and all the studying ive done up to this point (watching videos, reading books, some self study, etc). However, im trying to be more concrete about why im opening a certain frequency and how factors like the size of my open raise, and position should affect that frequency. I sort of thought the min defense frequency would be useful for figuring out frequencies for defending preflop in headsup situations and especially in post flop situations. However, on one of Sauces videos couple months ago he replied to me saying that MDF is not a good way to think of preflop because if were not 3betting our entire defending range then villains hand always has EV when called. So, im confused how to go about coming up with frequencies preflop. And also just how useful the MDF is for analyzing defending frequencies on the flop and on the turn, since the only part of the hand that i know MDF to be really useful is the river at the moment. Id buy coaching to figure this stuff out from someone knowledgable i just cant seem to find any answers anywhere.
Any help, opinions, whatever, is appreciated.
Dec. 17, 2015 | 8:03 a.m.
Great video, id like you to review a 10/20 hunl sesh i played recently where i got murdered lol
Nov. 20, 2015 | 10:12 a.m.
Great video, safe to say ill need to watch it a few more times. I was/am often wondering about how the min defense freq should be adjusted on earlier streets given the equity our "bluffing" hands have against villains range and villains equity against our "value" hands, etc. Stuff that you mentioned in the video. It would be cool if you could talk more about this type of stuff,
Thanks !
Nov. 20, 2015 | 3:35 a.m.
Great video,
The A3ss hand that was checked down to river after you called bb and it ran out 532r5x4x you vb and he raises small, isnt that a nice spot to go for a bet 3bet? It seems to me you are much more likely to have full houses here, for calling pre and checking flop and turn potentially going for check raises. Additionally, as you mentioned, he seems the type that can go for thin value here with an Ace, and def a 6. Seems like a decent spot to put in a nice big 3b, what do you think?
Thanks,
Nov. 6, 2015 | 11 a.m.
Great vid as usual ,
You mention being more polar in those bvb spots vs sb limps when youre in the bb, how do you keep from having too much air bc of course theres so many combos of random two low shitty hands like 62o, 83o, etc vs the really good hands we raise. Or is it okay to have lots more bluffs on the earlier streets and just shave them down by the river?
Also near the end we flat bb headsup min raise with KJ, check down on 865rQhh2o, do you think bluffing river is reasonable given that its a decently tough call for his Ace highs? And we might bluff alot of our other air on the turn?
Id love to see more headsup videos if possible going forward, but anything is good, thanks!
Nov. 6, 2015 | 3:09 a.m.
Great video as always !
I noticed a lot of the time you used the RNG without really commenting on it, it would be cool if you mentioned it when you used it, its def interesting and useful for us to see/hear the percentages.
I was wondering if you could talk about (or point us in the right direction in terms of a resource/reference) on how you go about constructing ranges for certain spots and the factors that are important for choosing these ranges. Im struggling to figure out how to go about figuring what range i should use to open button in headsup games for instance, and how it should change if i open for min, 2.5x, or 3x. Do you first figure a frequency you deem appropriate and then fill in hands from there? If so, how do you go about figuring a proper frequency? Also when facing bets preflop and postflop do you use the min defense frequency and fill in hands after that, or is that only useful on the river since its alot more complex on the earlier streets with the equities, ranges, etc??
The QJo hand at the end ish when you open co and fold to SBs 3b (losttoriver) and mention that its an easy ish fold "especially since were not 4b/calling too thinly so we dont have to be bluffing much" , can you elaborate on this?
Thanks for the videos and responses!
Nov. 4, 2015 | 10:54 a.m.
I like the 3 tables, provides more opportunity for something interesting/useful to happen. Plus, if too much is going on and the viewer misses something or doesnt follow along, which sometimes happens to me, then we could just rewind that part.
I was wondering about the 55 hand when you open pre and chb QT7cc, then bet bout 35% on Tdd. I was wondering about your bet size. Do you use this bet size with range here? Dont we have alot of Tx that check behind flop and want to get more value out of all the Qx, 7x, and draws he could have? I suppose since the card is a T that he also has alot of Ts for getting here, assuming he would check them to you thinking you'd bet a T at a high freq ?Is that why you bet small?
Since the flop is so connected im thinking were prolly checking back alot of air here, so in practice id find myself potting it here with all my checked back Tx and lots of air. I suppose 55 isnt really air and so youre interested in protection/value, i suppose thats why you chose this size? Is it just that you know you have a lot of hands that prefer protection/value like 7x, small pocket pairs, and sometimes ace high, that you decide to choose this size with range instead or do you employ two sizes here?
Really great video and great series against Pandorasbux, was fun to watch you play against a creative aggressive player. Thanks !
Nov. 1, 2015 | 12:24 p.m.
i was wondering about that AQ92 hand alex is talking about as well, thought it may be a defend in some way facing a button range. but i could be wrong
great video, thanks !
Oct. 22, 2015 | 3:02 a.m.
great video, thanks,
very surprised to see the A7ss fold at the end w the bdfd, bottom pair, and position facing a small bet. id imagine attacking this board with a raise against that bet size with this hand would be better than folding it outright? but id imagine a just a call is standard?
Oct. 21, 2015 | 12:04 p.m.
the KQcc hand where you call his 3b and flop cb on J9Xr1c, then check back turn Jcc and bluff 8o river, is betting turn here when checked to standard? i mean arent we interested in getting him to fold ace highs/putting pressure on his weak pairs? or are you operating under the assumption that he doesnt have those hands often (ace high and low pairs) for cbetting and that your KQ has decent showdown value, and that of course you could bluff them on rivers if he checks again like so. I like to bet like 35% pot on turns in these spots with hands like this, and other protection/value hands like 9x, weaker pairs, and of course Jx altho of course Jx would prefer a larger sizing in theory. I mix it up usually with that 35% bet and then a larger more polar bet size. what do you think about that strategy (mixed strategy with two sizings or potentially jus one small 35% sizing?)
also that hand where he checked that Ah2x on the turn when you 3b, then cb, then checked on the J53r5hh but then he bluffed the river after u checked on the 8hhh river, isnt the 5 much much better for him, since you 3b and cb, and shouldnt he jus bet turn and barrel river here, esp with the Ah right (so he can bluff heart rivers more effectively)? and additionally on the other table at the same time where he called ur 3b and cb with K8dd on 652r checked back Ass turn and bluffed the 6o river, again the A should be much better for him than you right? do you think he should lean towards betting the turn in that spot as well?
thanks for the vids!
Oct. 17, 2015 | 3:16 a.m.
one of the best training videos ive ever seen. really great.
i got a question about:
at around 26 mins/bottom right table- You 3b then check called JJTT on K84r, turn checked thru on Jcc, and you value bet and reshoved over his large raise on 4o. He had K4xx with clubs. I know you mentioned you prefer a bet in his shoes on the turn but assuming you checked back, do you like his river raise? I find it hard to believe youll ever be calling with worse right? But perhaps its still a valuable raise against a good aggressive opponent like you who may notice his range is capped and reshove with good blocker hands, or anything? If thats the case then do you think he shoudlve sized smaller? cuz i think in video you made it 1500 and he made it like 5500 with 3k back, doesnt rly look like much fold equity, whereas if he made it less he might be able to snap off a bluff reshove more often?
also wanted to mention something about the xc leading strategy. you mentioned that you think it would be useful in some spots, but im thinking in that specific spot you talked about it in the video it wouldnt be for the same reasons you felt uncomfortable about check raising the flop right? when you had the wheel wrap on AJ4r or somethin. the turn 7o hasnt changed things much and you still dont have enough strong hands since you wouldve 3b your aces, strong ace high run downs that have top two +, and also perhaps some good jacks preflop? for this reason im thinking a turn leading strategy (in theory) would also be bad since he could exploit your unnutted range and raise alot? now of course perhaps he doesnt and it would work insanely good, but that would be more of an exploitative thing right? but perhaps its a exploitative thing that works great against most of the population. anyways, im thinking a check call lead range makes more sense in spots where you check call a pretty strong made hand otf because the board is draw heavy and when the turn comes safe then we lead (assuming its middling or something so were still sort of uncapped), idk, jus some stuff i was thinking figured id add to the discussion,
thanks for the video,
Sept. 10, 2015 | 11:34 a.m.
do you think flatting his super small 3b in pos with AQss is an option here since were like 55bbs deep, were in position, and were suited? or is this jus a super standard fist pump get in at this stack depth headsup? nice score man, i aint mad atcha
Sept. 9, 2015 | 9:44 a.m.
great video ! i always like videos against isildur lol theyre always entertaining. i recently made the switch from nl to plo. and watching this video got me thinking, do you think raising the turn is more of an attractive option in plo than NL? And if so is it (partly) bc in alot of spots with some marginal made hands (like when you had the bottom two 73 in this video) our visibility on rivers is worse than in NL? or do you think that raising turns is jus about equally good in both games?
Thanks !
Aug. 27, 2015 | 4:02 a.m.
"dan, you are an absolute monkey. an absolute banana" lawwwwwwwlllaments
Aug. 14, 2015 | 8:21 a.m.
yoyo thanks for vid,
26:45 analog opens HJ 20, CO godofhu calls, we in SB 1.1k eff with A6cc and you just fold, is this not a decent spot on squeeze?
27:36 with potential fun player in BB martin were CO with K9o, were 1.7l eff with kalben BTN and rayjing SB, you just open fold. Is this pretty tight fold?
peacee
June 25, 2015 | 3:29 a.m.
great video as usual
June 23, 2015 | 8:42 a.m.
greaaat vid, thanks. please make moar
June 19, 2015 | 8:35 a.m.
about the KQ7hh9hhh9x hand where you called with K8hh7x instead of check shoving. Arent our blockers fairly relevant to block his full houses? and also more importantly, dont people usually check back in his shoes with sets on the turn? unless they also have a flush to go with them? Was his stack size a consideration as well? Like if he had more would you be more prone to check shove? Maybe people bet this spot in his shoes with sets more than i would expect on the turn (im new to PLO)
Anyways, thanks for your videos, theyre the besttttt !
May 8, 2015 | 7:52 a.m.
great video, im sort of new to plo, i have pro poker tools odds oracle, is this a good program to use? i know you were using a different one in this video.
Thanks for the vid, !
May 5, 2015 | 12:06 a.m.
thanks alot for the responses! what do you mean when you say "beating -100bb/100" when relating to overcalling 2bb in the big blind? if we fold our EV is 0 right, so we need to think were +EV to overcall here right?
March 19, 2015 | 4:45 a.m.
i like the pace of the video. lots of good chunks of footage and good chunks of information. Lots of good extra chunks on tangents. Looking forward to more chunks later.
i play live NL in vegas but am starting to study/play PLO so that i can play good PLO games when the NL games look bad. I read that Hwang big play book and it was a good introductory. And am starting to watch some videos on here (which is nice cause i havent seen a video of yours in awhile since youve stopped doing NL). Anyways, if you had any further recommendations for a NL player trying to improve his PLO game lemme know,
thanks boss !
March 17, 2015 | 6:49 a.m.
around 13 mins, u defend Th8s bb flop AJ7hh check check, turn Tcc, you check call pot, river 4o you check fold but mention you think youre likely to call down here. Do you consider calling here often because we 1) dont block Kx, Qx, 9x that could be bluffing, 2) we dont block any clubs that came on the turn that could be bluffing?
-is Kx/Qx for villain going to be checked down for showdown value occasionally? If so would it be better to choose TK/TQ no club ourselves for heroing here given we dont block the weaker straight draws that brick out (9x, 8x) or the clubs.
-I feel like he chose the large bet size figuring your range is somewhat capped (you woulda 3b pre with most of the hands that make sets on this board and potentially AJ) plus you checked instead of lead turn on draw heavy board
-we have a ton of Jx here, better Tx, weak Ax, and some traps for getting here so im surprised you were going to call very often- so is it mostly in the blocker value that you said that? (not blocking clubs or some of the gutties that bricked)
around 36mins when you 3b KcQs and CB QT6cc. barrel the 8hh and he jams and you fold. How do you like his shove if he has K9hh, 67hh, AXhh, or similar club club type of hands? and of course some of the more vulnerable value hands like two pair/sets for value? Then he could call with all the pair + str8 draws, and straights if he wants?
thx for the vid !
sick vid, does anyone here use Pio on a Mac? Ive been hesitant to start because of deciding between the different options for Mac users to use Pio. Does anyone use Parallels and its fine?
March 28, 2016 | 8:56 a.m.