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I had this discussion with a good friend of mine the other day regarding this issue and a hand I played, he thinks that an overall optimal strategy playing mid stakes is realizing our equity vs increasing our fold equity. My style is geared more towards increasing fold eq (eg. check raising, barelling on the right cards etc.) So I want to ask the general public as to what you think. Is it more optimal to call your draws or bet your draws VS raising them and getting more folds. I understand that the latter has a little more variance for the times that you are called down light, but the other strategy just seems a little to fit or fold for me, what do you think?
Aug. 8, 2013 | 7:44 p.m.
as i mentioned before, villian has called off 150 bb with "A (4 kicker)" he has the ability to call off super light. so I do not see him folding any turn shoves after he bets 300 with any equity in the hand. I do however see a downside in shoving flop, because you take away all of his turn bluffing range if you shove flop, any hand that will continue with on the flop will definately continue with on turn no? My question now is..................... is there any instance where the turn is ever a fold?
June 8, 2013 | 8 p.m.
Villian is a agro fish, I have seen him bet 100 into a 75 dollar pot then 200 on the turn and fold for 160 more when he got raised. I have also seen him call off 150bb with just a ace 4 kicker to what was obviously a better hand. on a very straight coordinated board.
we are playing 2-5 full ring
Villian 900
hero 820
other players not so important
Villain opens for 35 utg +3, one flat, hero flats on button with 88.
Flop 2d 2s 4d
villian bets 150, fold, hero calls
Turn is a 5h
villian bets 300, hero ?
call raise or fold? If I call turn, hero leaves himself with 335 on the river.
June 5, 2013 | 3:56 p.m.
April 7, 2013 | 4:06 p.m.
What would the majority of you think a good win rate (hourly) is for
2-5 live?
5-10 live?
what would the top 5% of players be winning in these limits?
March 24, 2013 | 6:08 a.m.
March 23, 2013 | 6:12 a.m.
March 23, 2013 | 2:44 a.m.
March 23, 2013 | 1:22 a.m.
fd - we can probably discount about half of them (i.e 26, 39, J2, etc.)
6x
PP - 77-JJ, I feel like hes 3betting QQ+ 100% of time, so we will leave those out.
78 off
Jamming ev?
Calling ev?
and im curious as to what our calling ev is on the river. considering to variables i guess
1) he never jams his busted draws
2) he jams his entire range
March 22, 2013 | 8:49 p.m.
March 22, 2013 | 8:38 p.m.
BigFiszh - after I flat pretty much pot, do you really believe that he jams river with his entire range? I was the preflop raiser and made it to the river with him. I am pretty strong after flatting the turn. And hes not a terrible player. If that is the case then I don't mind just calling the turn. But if hes checking back all busted fd and x/c or c/f his pp then I prefer the turn jam
March 22, 2013 | 1:18 p.m.
Hero (BTN) - $1700
(SB) - $1200
Villian (BB) - $850
Villian has been playing relatively tight, but is capable of playing back at you, (sb) is very maniacal and opens all (btn). (sb) hasn't been 3 betting too much oop
Hero - 6h7h opens for 25
sb calls
villian calls
Flop
6c6d5c
hero leads for 45
sb folds
villian (bb) x/r to 150, hero calls
Turn
3s
villian (bb) bets 325
hero calls
this is where i feel like I played the hand wrong. In retrospect I think a jam here is better then a call. Villians perceived range is all flush draws, pp 77-10 maybe JJ at best, and all 6x's. I don't feel like he is x/r'ing with a flopped boat here. At the time I felt he was weighted more towards a pp so I did not want to make it tough for him on the turn, and was going to jam all non club rivers, making it looked like i missed, but I regret not jamming simply because if he had a FD he was committed to call, If he has a pp he may or may not call and with any 6x i am basically losing too. Only beating 64 and 62 both very not likely. But I feel that even if he has a 6x I still have some equity in the hand as oppose to a tough spot on river where my equity is 0.
River
Js
Villian jams for $350
Hero after some long thought called cause of the price. Getting slightly over 4-1
Villian shows ks6s
now my question is as played can I fold this river for the price I am getting? Very likely he has 6x now after jamming river or even JJ, don't see him jamming less for value. Maybe a small chance he's trying to push me off thinking i missed my draw.
would jamming the turn been a better play considering stack sizes?
now what if we were deeper, what would be optimal on the turn then?
I appreciate your response
March 19, 2013 | 7:55 a.m.
March 19, 2013 | 7:26 a.m.
March 18, 2013 | 6:38 p.m.
March 18, 2013 | 6:03 a.m.
Hey James
your on the right page as me. But my friend debate was that there was little to no need to play as aggressive at the casino we play at simply because players are super bad there, and that we do not need to balance our bluffs with our values, they simply don't pay attention to these things. against tougher villians when we play the bigger game, we tend to balance a little more and increase fold eq with marginals. but when we are playing the smaller stakes (2-5) he is saying that there is no need to increase your variance because players just dont pay attention there.
Aug. 12, 2013 | 3:34 p.m.