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I think this formation (SRP SBvLP) is one of the most interesting in poker because no one ever plays it. That there are ~70 combos vs ~400+ and how to do manage given that they are essentially this weird part of a low EV linear range. If it wasn't for minor rake disincentives I don't think most people would be removing those combos from SBs pf range is weird since they should have good value but don't belong in a 3bet range.

I haven't really found a great way to work the spot into my game yet. I don't think this video gave a lot of applicable takeaways but I appreciate that a pro is looking at it.

Excellent video with tons of takeaways, thank you!

Tyler thank you for spending so much time articulating your thoughts and giving me actionable, coachable advice. I sent a rather average session and appreciated you digging deep to help me! If I were to send you a PnE video again I would definitely articulate the #s behind the decisions I am making both stats for players and range/frequency wise. I under-articulate when recording and just say the most significant points to the whole thought process.

There are parts of the video where you call for stats, unpause, and then I look at the stats. I realize you cannot tell because there are no abbreviations but I have things like RFI from each open spot, fold 3b positionally, etc on there. In the video, you can clearly see me looking at them for relevant players and decisions.

In particular against Master he is a player I play with most weekdays. I have over 50k hands with him and we talk some outside the tables. I would say we are still actively doing stuff trying to figure each other out. There are clear spots where I get too involved in that history, so you helped me see some bigger picture pf stuff with him.

In the hand vs Master my 55 4bet AxxxQ did you not see that he showed KT? I was hoping this was a spot where you would talk about range construction given that he showed a hand outside of the range I was building strategy against. My strategy and understanding of this spot is pairs are best, IP is better, and what you hope to get is a board that is safe so you're likely to get your hot/cold equity. On Axx I have to take flop price with lower pair. Turn better to realize then bluff/deny is my thought but would love to be more robust w strategy and range construction knowledge here. When the river broadway comes it opens up QQ set to vbet, ME would X all Qx, he has his Ax that he wants to B X B, and then he has bluffs from missed broadways blocking my Ax. I thought this range was really small like some KJs/JTs. Granted if he was more value oriented (around TP) I think he would have gone B B B so B X B not as much value as I think. Like he wouldn't be betting A5 for value on river so blocking that combo is not relevant since he doesn't have it in that node at that sizing. Him having KT there was outside of my constructed range for him and now realize that was smaller size pf used.

There are other thoughts like this about the A5hh hand but the most relevant I wondered is can I not reduce turn strategy from ~20/150 to 75%. I don't think that I would actually delay block so the smaller sizing is not relevant and overbet is too strong of a polarization and those hands would be better in my flop range bet ~33% anyway. That is how I arrived at that sizing and I think it makes sense given there are combos like JT/KJ that now have value and would forgo flop bet. I will now just keep my best value in the range bet flop.

You're talented and more importantly patient, thanks Tyler you taught me some valuable things!

Nice video Francesco! Lots of useful thoughts and ideas here.

Personally have gone back and looked at retooling pf after having put little attention into it other than 'playing my ranges/charts' for last couple years. A lot of the change has come from having better study tools and realizing that spots I thought were somewhat close -1 to +1 EV were mainly -10 - -0.5 spots that I was blundering not recognizing the strength of ranges and taking too aggressive of actions or wide calls.

Defend vs triple IP seems pretty reasonable - it seems like you keep a strong range pf then (just) make hands. Once you don't fast play flop you move best value combos towards river node.

I enjoyed seeing all the OOP turn 2brl cbet sizes used. I think the F/T sizing structure really dictates how many combos are available on the river and therefore how likely villain is the bet. This is an area that study has really helped me understand going smaller vs larger, yet I still feel like I am not slotting hands correctly with my range quite often!

After defend 3b OOP C/C flop I have tried donk leading turn in certain formations. I think the c/c down in this line hoping for bluffs is one of the hardest to get right. After a wide range cbet, against my narrow pf range and very narrow c/c range, I think there is an equity shift such that my range because super strong against his missed range. Offensively attacking the weaker part of villain's range feels better than playing X/guess. Mixed results for me since villain still has plenty of premiums to defend with, but even though they have a positional advantage it is nodes less familiar for them so I think they're likely to make more mistakes.

Thanks for the video! I get a lot out of hearing your thought process.

This was such a great presentation of your 6c learnings - thanks for doing it. I don't imagine I'm likely to ever see this spread but I love watching high level PLO theory videos because you learn so much about poker strategy.

Good video Steve! The constant refinement of strategy to play the best sizes at the best frequencies from every position is one of the really challenging parts of the game IMO!

This was a solid look at this formation and sizes - thanks!

Great content Peter! Enjoyed your last point about desire the most. I look forward to what you will create in 2022.

Great video, thanks for the breakdown. Good to see another GTO+ user too, I enjoyed the video more being familiar with the software.

Good video, nice to relate to thinking through similar struggling spots (and seeing mistakes too!). Any thoughts today after another months worth of volume and reflection?

When I look at my own hands sample and variance skew results and observations, it is tough for me in this spot not to be biased. However right now my thoughts are that its a good idea just to get over the range disadvantage and just try to construct a strong calling and then calldown.

I definitely feel like people still underbluff these nodes but there are so many variations in ranges&formations, board/range advantages, reg vs rec, SPRs and pot odds on T/R, that it still is all guesswork in each hand for me instead of having a more solid framework & strategy.

The 62s heroic bluff was great just to listen to yourself recover from a huge, unessential loss had you not taken the hand for the video. I wonder if repping exactly 52s w the over is too thin as the bluff. I bet you could stratify down here to a little over the pot and credibly rep way more value hands to villain. You're going to lose to his premium either way but targeting a larger indifferent range through a smaller bet would serve better in a spot where he has many more hands of that type and you won't get rebuffed. Would be curious to find out about this one!

Thanks for showing us your play as always. I don't mind if you skipped a full session wrap-up lesson for this end-of-year grind. For me this time the hands were reasonably well thought out and understood in the play. I agree it is GOAT format right now and getting one from you is great but if it is time-consuming content I think you could save the effort for these particular sessions.

Great video, your presentation saves A LOT of time in solver land for people who haven't looked deeply at this spot. What a benefit to have strong strategy guidelines laid out easily like this!

I enjoyed this one and appreciated the 65s breakdown at the end, thanks!

Valuable video, thanks for making it. Glad to hear about the better life balance win! I enjoyed the slide/play format.

This format is supreme. You do the solver work and run through what you learned post is so beneficial. I dont need to look at you click around your screen, you can just tell me if you were right or wrong and what it suggests to do. Covering this many hands is wild, I cant believe you did the full storm of them. Around 25:00 is some of the most helpful way Ive heard you explain blockers and unblockers. There were so many gems in this tome.

Giving up TT at 30:00 seems pretty bad even if you are doing it at mixed frequency. I hate having to fold good equity against wide ranges when I both choose to give up initiative and allow him to bluff me for one bet. Especially when this X range relies on depol pairs to provide so much protection in these nodes.

Who are you on PSPA?

[RNG] fwiw

Tons of gold in this. First month back at Elite and this was first video I came to watch. Great stuff thanks LJ!

Fristing this one, congrats to RIT on getting this coaching! You definitely add a lot of valuable comments so it's nice to see you rewarded with this.

I think in the second hand the reason 2s,3s arent good while something like a 5 is because you gain a lot of barreling equity with some straight draws that you have which villain will not. A blank is good for your TPs but your overall range gets condensed to more value and less polar since you have such fewer turned draws you can barrel.

~26min QTss multiway on the turned nut STR AJxK river blank you donk overbet, overbet ai riv. You must have two river sizes, possibly even three? And couldnt developing a X range make sense as well or are you never doing that after donking turn.
It just seemed super greedy, low probability chance of getting called and would be hard to balance anything with that shove or the other parts of your range.

I love your videos because they show me a lot of considerations outside of my strategies and this particular one was way out there.

Haha I feel like I have sessions that go like this all the time and I know it's part of poker and yet that whiny feeling still exists! We get so entitled to think that runbad shouldnt happen to us!

The JT thin value shove on river vs KQs was awesome. I think I can correctly range people to 1pr there a lot but I dont attack it hardly enough and I can see it's costing me huge additional river calls.

Had to laugh at the decision based on the player being from Ukraine so his ranges were bad.

The one hand (I believe 64hh) that was opened from EP and 3bet from SB where you defined until river on A87QhhQ. You mentioned it but these seems like they should never be opened even if attacking a questionable player in the BB. You were so diligent about folding all those 87s UTG and then this one seems like immediately punished for deviating.

I have been thinking about how frustrating hands like the AQ on AQxKdJ vs Bricks TTd are. It is not solver approved but I think that putting in raises OOP on turn can be really beneficial when river can get so dicey and our hand doesnt function well as a bluff catcher against a villain who may not even bluff enough in that spot. It makes some sense to me to take some nonnut reraises there just to go and punish his range that should have a lot of hands that we are ahead of and want to deny equity against or punish for overextending.

Solid video, thanks for something from these stakes. One thing that threw me off was the 50% standard cbet on Tx, by chance that something you have discussed theory of in previous videos or is that just GTO knowledge? Other than that my thoughts were similar to yours so that was encouraging so perhaps Ill see you in the pool (;

When do we expect to hear more information? I'm hoping my application went through correctly.

Really nice coverage of the TT hand lots of good insights. Thanks!

Luke Johnson I got more out of the first two because it was so new to me. I would learn more from a live play and discuss like this if I understood the theory you were operating from already (which I wouldnt if you didnt do your first two). Im very happy with both and dont have a preference other than enjoying the 3 videos general format progression from Teach -> Show Implementation

Nice video. I wonder if in a few spots you would have played them drastically different if it wasnt for having to narrate and having less time to think them through.

Nice to watch you play live putting the last two concept videos into action. Study videos will be interesting to see as well. Definitely some interesting spots to review. Impressive how quickly you figure out how the suits interact as blockers and unblockers.