pinky1991

Because this sizing leaves you with an awkward size on the turn, you want to set up the jam on the turn and charge is drawing hands as much as possible on this texture he will still stack off his Ax combos also

I think solid regs will attack pretty wide based on the fact that the population does not balance their checking range correctly with a checking range that is far too check fold heavy.

Normally I would be cbetting this spot but I have been trying to incorporate a bit more balance into my checking range particularly against regs who in general I find are more aggressive when checked to.

Is this a turn you do not want a bluffing range on?

If checking the river do we nearly have to XF though. I feel like its unlikely that he will turn a set or overpairs into a bluff on this runout?

mmmm for value, its a very wet board and its nice to start building a pot we are going to get called by worse a lot. I can't really give any other reason but I think this is a board we should be raising a lot so having our nutty hands in this range is generally advised. Only turn stat I have on him is folding to cbet 2/2.

Thanks for the input guys

Thanks Will.

I think you start with a certain amount when you sit down and you get a certain amount of time added on the longer you sit at the table. When you use the time bank it doesn't auto top up you. So if you empty your bank on one hand it takes time to build it back up

Agree with above if you're going to raise should be the flop and not the turn. Definitely a board we want a flop raising range on btw.

If you are raising turn for value you should be shoving river too, obviously way too strong to raise as a bluff. Are you XC or XF on the river?

I say second nuts as presuming he's 3betting KK

Thanks for all the feedback guys.

He actually turned up with 75o so I guess he can have all the 16 combos of 75.

Pretty sick pot but given this info I think I can't fold what is essentially the 2nd nuts. I think we can 100% rule out 52 even with his stats.

Given he can have worse sets and probably a lot of two pair combos as well I think the call is easy enough to justify

+1 fold I think we have enough better hands that we can bet fold this combo. Do you think this turns into a pretty easy call if hero has say ATcc instead of KJ? Given that we have more worse draws crushed?

Thanks for the input guys.

Reasoning for having no calling range in the SB, with the exception of fish/nit in BB is just to avoid getting squeezed a lot. Given that we have to pay more (in comparison to the BB), we don't close the action and we will be in the worst possible position in a MW pot postflop. I feel like these are good enough reasons to justify not having a cold call range in the SB when the BB is a reasonably aggressive opponent?

I think this hand would be ok to XC 1 street, given villains wide range you likely still have pretty good equity against his range and given that you are pretty likely to face a raise XC is ok. You can then continue on turn on any Q, 7, A or heart. What are villains barreling stats like if you are likely to see both turn and river for one bet you can definitely XC

Thanks guys.
Follow up question based ff the result, Villain called down with 9c9s. Given this would be an over adjustment to widen my value range against him in future and cut down on the bluffs. So on this runout to value shove/barrel anything better than KQ+?

Fold turn. I don't think the described villain will bluff/raise with worse here. As his range is quite tight preflop (folding to steals high) he pretty much has all the better trips in his range plus full houses, so although you have trips your hands becomes a bluffcatcher when you are raised on the turn. No need to hero call against this villain as you should pick up enough money when he calls down against you and overfolds preflop.

Theoretically you can defend a tighter range the bigger villain is opening as he is risking more money to pick up the blinds so you don't have to defend as much to stop him from profiting with ATC.
Agree with above good spot to bluff

I think your sizing is way too big if I was going to raise I think I'd prefer to make it like 10-11. I'd only raise if I thought one of the villains was very likely to hero stack off overpairs.
Calling is a much better option in my opinion as not only are you more likely to extract more value from overpairs but you also have to potential to stack Strong top pairs as if turn comes an AKQ.
Raising to protect against a possible 3 3's plus two possible set outs for both your opponents I feel is a bad reason for raising. You do have 4 nut outs on the turn as well remember!
If the board was two tone raising might make more sense as you will have more bluff raises so you should be balancing with more value hands. Here your only potential bluff raises are 109 or 65 and given the price you're likely just flaying these

I felt given that its a weaker player I am more likely to induce the solid players in the blinds to squeeze a higher % in this spot as I look really weak. Normally I am 3 betting KK but I was hoping to induce from blinds.
@taz given his really low 3bet stat I feel like we can rule out T8s or 86s. He is also cold calling button 8% so he probably includes suited connectors in that part of his range?

OOP preflop I would prefer to 4bet bluff or fold here. Especially with hands that are dominated by a lot of villains 3bet range so KJ is crushed by AK, AJ, KQ as well as AA, KK, QQ, JJ.
I think having hands like KJs and ATs in a 4bet bluffing range is better assuming you're 4betting QQ+ and AK. These hands simply don't play great OOP against most villains 3betting ranges at these stakes.
On the flop agree with disharmonist that sets are a better shove. If you have all the AQ combos and JJ, TT this should give you enough value combos to shove. I would think his calling range versus a shove on the flop is AA, KK, JJ, TT (depending on 3bet frequency) as well as AQ, you might get a crying call from AK also. What is villains 3bet stat? This board hits his 3betting range super hard in general.
As played check call probably flop and turn on a blank and fold the river to a triple barrel.