pampam
2 points
difference is in Fold Equity , in Janda FE sums to our total Equity.
in 2, no FE at all.
really, I am in a perplexity of this contradiction.
Oct. 2, 2018 | 2:14 a.m.
thx, about removals i"v thought a lot, its not problem now.
when i wrote to bet less, I meant logic of math.
here - we bet 93% having 30,7 value and we bet 138% having 25% value
in other math logic:
I bet 33% Cbet, I need 33/(33+100)=25% of Opp folds; and having 25% value combos, always playing min in 0.
I bet 50% Cbet, I need 50/(50+100)=33% of Opp folds; and having 33% value combos, always playing min in 0.
here - we bet 50% having 33% value and we bet 33% having 25% value
in Janda math logic, we bet more size having weaker range!!! in "other" math logic we bet less size having weaker range.
for me 2nd is more nature, but math in 1st is right too/
Oct. 2, 2018 | 2:09 a.m.
But I dont like this logic that having more bluffs we should bet more.
Iprefer bet less to do our bluffs cheaper.
Oct. 1, 2018 | 11:48 p.m.
Its like M.Janda wrote:
"1) On the river, 67.5 percent of your opponent's bets must be made for value.
2) On the turn, your opponent plays 45.5 percent (0.675 x 0.675) of the range with which he can bet on the turn, and with which he can value bet on the river.
3) And on the flop, respectively, 30.7 percent of the flop-betting range (0.675 x 0.675 x 0.675), with which he will be able to value bet on the river. "
its for 93% Cbets
for 138% i counted:
0,633
0,400
0,253
where 0,253 = 0,633x0,633x0,633)
Oct. 1, 2018 | 11:45 p.m.
you mean that if I have a range on Flop with 25% value combos and 75% bluff
I need to bet 138% of Pot here, as amount of bluff from river to flop will be 0.633-0.400-0.253.
am i right?
Sept. 22, 2018 | 12:12 p.m.
lol/ may be it is clear GTO point, when i bet 33% with 25% value combos, and villain folds 100% (here he cant do anythibg to increade his profit
July 14, 2015 | 3:02 a.m.
we are speaking about gto-- and here villain folds 100%
July 7, 2015 | 12:17 a.m.
if I bet 33% I must win in 25% cases/ It doesnt matter HOW.. - whether fold Equity from villain or maybe my own value.
Here I have 25% of my own value, so dont need any FE.
p.s.
(of course if villain fe=0 , he cant win all times, which he should do here)
July 6, 2015 | 1:23 p.m.
0,633 is a river digit/
betting 138, villain needs 36.7% to call
so I should have "0.633 value / 0.367 bluff" on RIVER
p/s/ 0.400 = 0.633*0.633
July 5, 2015 | 11:58 p.m.
its standart for crazy guys
crazy more close to idiots than to clever persons/
Math supports me here...
July 5, 2015 | 12:02 a.m.
Its mine too. no answer too
July 4, 2015 | 11:49 p.m.
ty for this link., but even my granny know this River situation/
notice that my quest is about flop betting (so we have some foldequities on 3 streets)
and^
having 18/7 I will win 70% cases/ it means I can bet 2.33xPot /
But now opp must have 41% for call (29% earlier).. and I should bet 15/10 where 10 bluff combos/
having 15/10 I will win 60% cases/ it means I can bet 1.5x Pot /
it gives for opp 37.5% and I should bet 14.6/9.4//
I can bet 1.4xPot /......and this continue/////
July 4, 2015 | 11:48 p.m.
a) no answer b) another section c) want to begin Constructive discussion
July 3, 2015 | 9:49 a.m.
working on my GTO model, found strange collision in math/
For example, I am PFR (UTG or MP) and 1 CCaller
I have a range on Flop with 25% value combos and 75% bluff.
- So, I need to bet 138% of Pot here, as amount of bluff from river to flop will be 0,633-0,400-0,253.
its mathematics and like MJanda works.
- So, if I bet only 33% Pot, I need 33/(33+100) = 25% of opp folds; and having 25% value combos, always playing min in 0.
Conclusion^ math says us, that having more bluffs in range we must bet more (even 138%)/ to have folds from opp more often. But in 2, you see that we should to bet less to have enough Fold Equity.
^1 or 2
July 3, 2015 | 7:08 a.m.
i copy-paste from other forum but it seemed not saved in this way
Aug. 20, 2014 | 9:23 p.m.
working on my GTO model, found strange collision in math/
For example, I am PFR (UTG or MP) and 1 CCaller
I have a range on Flop with 25% value combos and 75% bluff.
1. So, I need to bet 138% of Pot here, as amount of bluff from river to flop will be 0,633-0,400-0,253.
its mathematics and like MJanda works.
2. So, if I bet only 33% Pot, I need 33/(33+100) = 25% of opp folds; and having 25% value combos, always playing min in 0.
Conclusion^ math says us, that having more bluffs in range we must bet more (even 138%)/ to have folds from opp more often. But in 2, you see that we should to bet less to have enough Fold Equity.
^1 or 2
Psycho, you wrote about 1st example of Janda!
there we bet 138% and "op price for call" is 138/(138+138+100)=36,7%
thats why you could see 0,633
Oct. 2, 2018 | 9:10 p.m.