mongoose0141

1. Yes, on cards that are particularly good for the OOP player. For example, KJ7 UTGvsBB. Flop goes x/70%/c. On a turn J i would donk for a small size with my entire range. Or KT4r BUvsBB. Flop goes x/33%/c. Turn is a blank and it goes x/150%/c. I would mix between donking big and checking on a T river. Or in a 3b pot where I x/c on T62 and the turn is an A. The Diego Ramirez video mentioned earlier in the thread outlines some more of these spots and goes over the theory. But basically when a card shifts the range advantage drastically into the OOP player's favor.

2. Depends on the exact spot but donking can often add quite a bit of EV to your strategy. Again, more details in the video.

3. Imo implementing a donking strategy is much easier and less problematic than developing a SB calling range.

makes sense, ty

Demondoink curious, how many/which sizes did CO use otr in the pio sim?

Not having the Ad is nice, and it's definitely a close spot, but I think it's probably a fold at 50z. The J strikes me as a not-great card to call down on because Villain is probably going to check back with his Jxs now, and I think a fair amount of his flop floats will be stuff like JTs/QJs with the BDFD.

not sure if intentional but your pio sim is different than the spot in the hsnl thread. in the actual hand, makeboifin calls out of the sb and katya half-pots the flop. i actually saw the hand yesterday and thought pre was the most interesting spot. surprised makeboifin called a co open from a reg out of the sb with another aggro reg in the bb.

as far as the results of your sim, not too surprising. in a lot of spots where bb x/r's the flop and gets a turn that's good for his flop bluffs, he'll end up barreling at a very high frequency using both small and big size.

try taking a look at bb's equity and range composition on this turn compared to co's.

I think flop raise is a mistake vs this sizing and we should just be calling. AP I think river is a pretty easy fold.

we still realize our equity when we b/gii ott. and we're never going to b/f this combo.

think flatting pre is better than 3b with villain's stack depth. if you do 3b, should use a smaller size imo.

turn i actually prefer calling because i think we have no fold equity when villain leaves this little behind.

agreed. flop is a mix between bet and check with more betting when we have Qh. when we check and face a small bet this is an easy flop raise, and obviously never folding when he jams over our x/r

betting range or checking range can absolutely be an exploit in game. but your original question was asking about pio sims and the ev loss when comparing those.

when you lock oop to check his whole range in pio, the resulting ip strategy will be the equilibrium response to oop's range check. that's how solvers work- they solve for the equilibrium strategy. in real life, people will play wildly differently in the bb vs. your simplified strategy. they will not be playing perfectly vs. your range check, so your actual in-game ev will be higher than the ev in pio. while pio may indicate that your simplification will lose you ev, the reality is that your simplified strategy will likely have a higher ev than attempting to play the multiple sizing strategy. because 1) it's impossible to mess up on your end, and 2) people will play poorly against it. so comparing the ev's in pio isn't actually that helpful or insightful.

the fact that checking (or betting) range can be an exploit isn't reflected in the ev of the pio sims.

Call river IMO, you have to call with more than just boats. This hand is one of your best bluffcatchers unblocking missed straight draws and flush draws. There's even a chance Villain is taking this line with worse Tx.

hey, really enjoy these videos on c-betting strategy. was wondering if you could do a vid on splitting your range after a 100% cbet as ip pfr vs. bb. what hands to bet/check, when to use different sizes and how to play a simple yet effective turn strat in these spots. would also be cool if you knew of any videos on this topic you could link me to. thanks!