mjj347
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This river is also a great card for villain to bluff with. What about turning this into a value call/bluff catcher? We are in the upper-middle of our range (2p to boats) and at this level people will shove with a really wide range here. Having the Ac and 10c on the board blocks a lot of the FD combos BB might play OOP. And a lot of those combos might fold to your turn raise. This feels like a bunch of Ax, 67, type combos and a couple combos of QJcc+, 89, 66, 77, and AT.
Sept. 11, 2015 | 9:40 p.m.
I dont think villain's flop raise is necessarily spazzy. That flop hit his calling range a lot better than it does your 3bet range. Assuming you C-bet a flop that dry 100% of the time, a raise is perfectly reasonable with most of his hands. You probably dont have a ton of Jx combos in your range here so he would have decent fold equity. Also, I dont know if I would raise AJs that big preflop OOP, a lot of the hands that call have you dominated or are a coin flip.
Sept. 11, 2015 | 8:58 p.m.
Well you had a clear idea of his range being wide in this case, were correct on your read that he might be shoving a draw and you got all of the chips in with the best hand. Your preflop play makes this an easy decision like isolated said. Sometimes the draws hit is all.
Aug. 18, 2015 | 11:53 a.m.
One thing I like to do is sit down short stacked for the first 20 hands, play a tight short stack game, then buy in for the full amount. I do this for a couple reasons, first it allows me to be aggressive in spots where I dont care how my opponent is playing for the most part. It prevents me from making any huge mistakes from lack of information. And this will severely skew my stats on their huds once I have fully bought in. Most players do not notice your rebuy or the change in gears.
Aug. 8, 2015 | 6:14 a.m.
You have posted several of these hands where you are OOP with AJo+, and a paired flop. What impact on your decision making is the consideration of your opponent's tendencies and statistics? If he usually folds 65% to CB, but calls you, back off the aggression.
I feel that, in these three hands, you are barreling too much and calling too much. Fire one barrel, then give up when OOP. Especially if you are willing to fold the river anyways.
Plan your hand around the decision of when you are willing to commit your stack. Keep the pot small when you have a weak hand unless you are confident you can out play your opponent. In all three cases you were not able to out play them and lost significant $$ for these stakes.
Aug. 4, 2015 | 1:47 p.m.
I agree the PF squeeze amt was appropriate. The rest depends on what you know about the villian. Is he weak tight? Folding to CB more than 50% of the time? Is he a passive calling station? How aggressive have you been?
If you think he is capable of folding middle pair then you could invest another .50 on the flop bet, make it $2.20 there. If you get called you can guarantee you are behind 90% of the time and just give up. Having to bet the turn or river hard is just too expensive when you have no reason to think he is going to fold. This is just a terrible flop for you, and it is optimistic to hope it is terrible for him as well. In the end he was at the bottom of his range and still crushed it.
Aug. 4, 2015 | 1:27 p.m.
Edited for Clarity:
Vayne:
I get what you are saying, but what was your plan for this hand? Bet 1/5 of your stack then play fit/fold on the flop? You cannot make money in that hand
Here is what we know:
Opponents are calling your 4bets light.
You have built a pot that has an SPR of 2.
Your perceived range is far stronger than your opponents.
You have initiative.
So I would say that unless your opponent is a calling station you have to jam on the flop for the following reasons:
Any betting on the flop that isn’t all in means you have zero fold equity on later streets. If you bet 2/3 and he calls you are committed but cannot put any pressure on the turn or river. If you check and he bets, now the SPR is <1 and you are both committed and you cannot bluff.
CRAI can represent a strong hand trying to extract value but still punishing drawing hands and weak pairs. (K4s, K9s, 10 9, J10d, etc).
Check/calling gives up both your initiative and your ability to bluff on a later street, leaving you only able to rely on showdown value which is weak. CRAI gives you fold equity, and you still get to hope on the small amount of showdown value your hand has (2 overs, backdoor flush). Even if you get stacked here, it seems better than being too passive with that hand against opponents who are being stupid preflop with your 4bets. If he calls, just reload and know that 9x calling 22bb 4bets is suicide in the long run.
Aug. 3, 2015 | 4:03 p.m.
Zyzz:
I see flatting 3bets with AA pretty often on really tight tables (like zoom), but there is no incentive to flat a 22bb 4bet with AA, KK. The point is to get the chips in with those hands and if you have a player willing to 4bet 1/5 of his stack you shove and get called almost every time. Combine that with blocking AA, the CO's weak 1/3 pot bet with a flush draw, this feels like 99% chance the CO just made a huge mistake preflop and wants to take his toys and go home. Even if you don't shove you could bet the flop really hard and probably take it down (but that is risky bc you lose a lot of fold equity now and on the turn).
Aug. 1, 2015 | 9:54 p.m.
Granted, I am new-ish, but the villain flat gave up on that pot. CRAI isnt suicide in at least one case, this one. Surely 9x folds that given the preflop strength you shown.
So the villain attempts what was likely a steal from the CO, then calls a 20bb 4bet for 15% of his stack but didn't shove, then makes a really weak bet on a drawing board. No made hand makes a 1/3 pot bet on a drawing board. That is a terrible line right? He has to put you on JJ+ at least. And I cant put him on anything with much equity against your perceived range. You have a back door flush draw, two overs, a weak straight draw and I think a ton of fold equity in this position.
And if you had any doubts, the check on the turn should have sealed it. You cant put him on anything good and have to figure that is dead money. IMO.
July 31, 2015 | 11:50 p.m.
With an SPR of 2, I think you have to Check Raise all in with that flop. He cant have much calling your 4bet but not shoving preflop. 99 is the only hand you really have to worry about calling that is in his range.
July 31, 2015 | 11:04 p.m.
Unknown20, I am sorry to hear about your troubles, but it sounds like the least of them are the bad beats. This is just my $.02 but you cannot win at poker by playing 'desperate'. The more you feel you need/want the results the more you will inadvertently compromise the process. This is not the way to pay medical bills, you will just deplete your bankroll. Life comes first, manage your funds responsibly which may mean keeping them off the poker table.
I hope you get well soon.
July 31, 2015 | 6:22 p.m.
Ok awesome thanks for the additional perspective. I do feel that I have to call at least. I shoved though, was that a mistake?
July 30, 2015 | 2:24 p.m.
Once you had action with that flop, i would not have fired the other barrels.
July 30, 2015 | 12:49 p.m.
My initial thought was that bet/fold is a bad choice, but mac had some good points above. My bet sizing was intentionally small because I had been having a very hard time getting action from this player so i was trying to look weak, but I think instead I was just giving him too good of pot odds/implied odds. He has 7 outs and easily got 5-1 knowing I would shove on the river. Really I should have just found a table without a total nit. I was just so determined to out play this person.
July 30, 2015 | 12:43 p.m.
Ok thank you both. I think the bet/fold on the river is something I need to improve on, as well as sizing my bets on the flop and turn. I am having trouble giving players enough credit at these stakes, but they often do have the absolute nuts with a river reraise.
July 30, 2015 | 10:05 a.m.
Well once I flop a pretty well hidden straight with almost no other coordination before the turn and river, I didnt want to bet him off the pot (he has what, a ~14% chance of winning given his likely range?). I was hoping for over cards that I felt were in his range. The villain cant have a boat because the board isnt paired, so I am not understanding what you mean there. I did end up shoving over his river raise, and he had 10-9. As tight as he was, I felt that weak river bet would make him shove with top pair, two pair or trips.
July 30, 2015 | 1:12 a.m.
First of all, I am a pretty new player and have been having some trouble with HU. My opponent has been playing super tight, and fit or fold post flop. I know that if he is willing to min raise the blinds he will probably call a 3bet here also so I am hoping to steal on a weak board.
Hero (BB): 151.6 BB
SB: 94.4 BB (VPIP: 32.31, PFR: 30.77, 3Bet Preflop: 9.38, Hands: 65)
SB posts SB 0.4 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB
Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has 6c 5h
SB raises to 2 BB, Hero calls 1 BB
Flop : (4 BB, 2 players) 8s 7h 4c
Hero checks, SB bets 2 BB, Hero calls 2 BB
Turn : (8 BB, 2 players) Qh
Hero checks, SB bets 4 BB, Hero raises to 8 BB, SB calls 4 BB
River : (24 BB, 2 players) Jd
Hero bets 10 BB, SB raises to 54 BB, Hero ???
I dont see how I can fold here. 9-10 is well within his range but so are so many other hands like A8+, QJ+, 66+. I havent seen him overvalue top pair much, however, so that makes it more tentative.
Thoughts?
Oops I meant the river is a good card for our opponent to bluff on.
Sept. 11, 2015 | 11:25 p.m.