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I personally dont think anonymous poker is gonna work unless RIOP comes out with absolutely incredible RB program or just cuts the rake in half. Initial rake cap is just way too high to play/enjoy blindfolded poker. We all get some of the reasonings behind it but still anonymous poker is kind of a joke to be honest. Tell me any other sport that does something like this? Nobody does that. If I remember correctly other sites already tried it, players didnt like it and turned out that weaker players lost their stacks even quicker. Weaker/recreational players need their information as well, for example nobody wants to open-sit against best players at certain stakes without knowing it. Just a lack of that little piece of information who`s who just kills the games. End game – makes it way harder to start games (we can already see it on RIOP), site loses traffic, players play on other sites where they can choose who they wanna play against). Please give people some options.

Good luck!

WM2K twisterk At the end of the day its not about me or any other people who like or dislike current state of big 20bb+ STP pots its about the reputation of poker. Im trying to see the overall picture. People who love poker know its a skill based game but a lot of outsiders, politicians already think differently and try to tag it as a gambling game. Im sure they are not gonna change their opinion when they will see all those STP highlight videos. For a foreign eye it must look exactly what it is, 6 people are pushing a lot of money in the middle with any 2 cards.
On the other hand when there would be some kind of cap on big STP all-ins and it would seem like poker site is actually giving something back to the players that would be totally different story.
This is suppose to be a poker site not a casino lounge. I think this is unnecessary gambling and there a lot of other ways to make games more fun and enjoyable.

Preflop this hand is actually a fold against MP RFI. Without additional equity and not so great runouts I would check back on the flop.

Kitsune101 There is a little bit skill at 20bb+ splashes in some cases but overall its just not PLO anymore its totally different game. You shouldnt be able 3-bet all-in unless you have a very short stack.

Doc I gotta disappoint you a little bit. Only you and the player on your right lost stacks, one guy had 20bbs and 2 players folded. :)

Why not just play all small STP (1-5bb) pots and build a simple jackpot on the side for all limits separately.
In his post Phil wrote: "One or two of the plaques in the mix say “PLO Flip.” When that round comes up, we each put 10 big blinds in the middle, get dealt 4 cards, and run out a board."
The minute I saw it I thought this would be brilliant idea for big STP-s. I think that all Jackpots should be played like this.
Its pretty simple, the more you play, more chances you have to hit big Splashes. From the marketing point nothing changes and everyone has same amount of excitement.

Apoc 100% agree that there has to be a cap to any 25bb+ STP pot in my opinion. I just saw a 1000bb pot at mid-stakes. Couple of guys were almost 300bb deep and one guy had less than 100bb-s. Its so unfair when one guy is shortstacked and other players are so deep. It gets even more ridiculous at higher stakes, for example at PLO500 being 200bb deep you literally have to gamble with 1000 euros to win 200bb STP. Also saw so stupid things from regulars at PLO200, people were literally going crazy with rainbow trash to win 20bb STP-s. Raise+3-bet= All-in. Im no lottery expert but I´m starting to think that at this point it must be more profitable to fold, take that money and buy a pile of lottery tickets instead. Thats not poker, almost 0% of skill, just pure gambling.

Congratulations!!!
I hope everything goes as smooth as possible!

Ok Phil Galfond it makes sense.
For the record I wasnt looking it any way I was just curious about the RB system. I gotta say I personally dont like the phrase - "He shoves" - Who shoves Q6o 100bb deep just to win 4bb-s? Phil werent you like the biggest advocate of not turning poker into casino game. Im afraid thats exactly whats gonna happen with STP system. Put anything bigger like lets say 10-20bb gold coins in the middle and players are gonna go crazy and pots will be massive. Im sure thats awesome and profitable for the poker sites but I personally think thats bad for online poker when people start to gamble for just 5bbs. You mentioned in your post that "PLO flips" make games more fun. I agree. But theres a huge difference between 10bb flips and deep stack flips.
I know this was just an example but I have a feeling its gonna happen way more frequently than now, especially in NLH. Some random dudes from Brazil or Russia are gonna start to shove any 2. Is this really what online poker needs right now, is this good for online poker?
Btw I like the STP idea but I have a feeling you need to work on some details.
Maybe Im missing something, I dont know.

Bingo 123 Im no professor but Im pretty sure you gotta use the same currencies to come up with the correct numbers.

How to count wrap outs - https://www.countingouts.com/counting-plo-wrap-outs/

While you are at it please don`t forget players from Belgium, Denmark and Estonia.

Where are beanies? It`s getting colder and colder these days. Winter is coming. I would like to buy myself a beanie with Run It Once logo on it.

BTN represents a very strong hand by betting that flop against multiple people. Its very rare that they have anything else than nut straight here. Call the turn/fold the river.

Three days to go. Any chance we see somebody streaming on Thursday?

Wow! The site looks like a poker players dream already and you havent even launched yet. Absolutely amazing job RIO Poker team!!!

I would use this hand as a check back. We want to have some flush draws in our check back range and this is a pretty good hand to pick, specifically unblocking all the pairs/draws on the board. We don`t want to get check/raised and play a big pot on the flop when we can use our positional advantage.

I absolutely love the idea of ranking system and the site for example showing biggest pots of the month on youtube. There are so many possibilities to create good content for youtube - best plays of the month, biggest bluffs of the month aso.
I think its a good way to create way more competitive environment for online poker and also show the entertaining side of poker.

Theres a big difference between complaining and talking about the things how they are. Im sure we have all played only one table at a time and I know it is super boring to wait for others to act. Solution - open one or two more tables and you dont even notice how slow other players sometimes are. Its that simple!

Look! One or two tabling recreationals sit out all the time as well. I see it on a day to day basis. Regulars just dont make such a big deal out of it. Regulars use their time wisely and play more tables while non-pros instead of playing one more table waste their time and energy to complain about it and write obscenities to other players. People just complain way too much these days about the things which arent even that relevant. Oh you had to wait for 7 seconds, what a big deal. Some players just act like its the end of the world or something. People around us travel 2-3 hours every single day just to get to work. And you can`t wait for 10 minutes overall to play 1000 hands?

Phil I love you man. You are my favourite person in the poker industry but I really feel like you are making a mistake when you are going with 4 table cap. I think that 4 table cap is way too low. In my opinion somewhere around 7-8 is a optimal number of tables. That way everyone should be happy, non-pros dont complain that much about low pace and pros can play reasonable amount of tables which everyone should be able to handle. By forcing players to only play 4 tables you are pushing them to find action from other sites. That doesnt solve anything, now we need to mix in action from 3-4 different sites and also business wise this is a bad idea. I would assume you want to keep your customers not to push them elsewhere.

Where do you live, Andrew? North Pole?

3-betting is totally fine. I like it.

Yes. This is pretty bad open.

Start with check/call on the flop.

Very close spot. My problem with shoving is that I dont see much worse we can get value from. Like Ben said our opponent shouldnt double barrel too often on that board and in case he does he should have pretty strong hand most of the time. He shouldnt have too many J6, 45 in his limp-raising range so main hands he is gonna have are sets, overpairs with clubs, maybe something like A98cc or similar he choose to double barrel on the turn. All sets and J6 got there on the river and all combo draws with clubs missed. So basically what Im saying is that on that river he is definitely gonna have some slowplays in his range and a lot of overpairs with missed club draws. Maybe we can squeeze out some small value like 1/3 pot bet against AA, KK but I feel like shoving is little bit too light. I would say its a very nice check from your opponent given the ranges in play. I bet he was trapping in a hope to see light shoves from straights or blockers.

With webcams comes another problem. Nobody wants to see punch of random dudes in their boxers and shirts off playing poker.

I personally dont like the idea of separating players and dividing them into different groups. Thats not what poker is about. I like the competitive side of poker. Yes there`s some luck involved but poker is still a skill game. The conditions are the same for everyone.