Marlon

I like easy situations - when I have the best hand and my opponent is calling/betting. By raising with AA your putting yourself into a tough spot if another ace doest show up on the flop. even with the double flush draw its hard to play flush draws OOP profitably. I recommend playing many hands deepstacked, and playing for stacks when you have the best of it. Semi bluff big all your good draws and bluff rarely vs this type of opponent. remember, in PLO deepstacked the game is won on the turn/river not preflop/flop.

seems good, ev +ve. however I never raise AA against regs unless I can stack off on the flop HU. the reg will put you on AA/KK when you 4b, so when you bet small on the flop its easy for him to bluff you.

In my opinion there isn't much of an edge if you short stack PLO. As a deep stacked reg with a large bankroll I really dont care that you have slightly better hand selection than me because hand equities run so close. Learn how to play deepstacked plo and you will make alot of money. Learn topics like slowplaying, playing blockers, SPR, stackoff ranges, bluffing, fold equity.

Ok I see your point. 

x/c is best? really? your just going to let him check back medium strength hands for cheap? or value bet us when he hits the nuts? he has all options, all we can do is call? 

Flop or turn check raise is debatable, however river play is to bet atleast bet half pot or shove. We are not expecting to be called, however if we always shove in this spot its not exploitable, he needs the NUTS(69xx) to call us, since we have the second nuts (QQxx). He will call us often enough with 3rd/4th nut hands to be profitable. However if we choose to x/c, and he picks up on that fact we checked to call, he will value bet us when we makes his hand, and check back otherwise. 

VERY VERY BAD PLAY. YOU HAVE NO HAND AND NO DRAW. YOU HAVE NOTHING. AND YET YOU CALLED AN ALL IN. 

If I were you I'd completely give up unless we improve to top set by the river (with no straight/ flush out there), since stack sizes are deep and we have NOTHING.

If you were the one raising all in then maybe - just maybe its alright, as a bluff. However you called an all in with 1 pair, no draw. 

btw, did he take your money? or you his? since you had the balls to call his all in with 1 pair. 

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This reminds of a hand I had AA, 

pre-flop: he raises, I re-raise, he calls, 

flop: he checks, I c-bet, he calls, 

turn: he checks, I check, 

river: he bets, I raise all in with 1 pair (AA), he calls with 1 pair KK. 

I was correct in raising all in as a bluff (4 cards straight on the board), but he was wrong to call with such a weak holding. 

I'd bet half pot here, and call any raise. There is exactly 1 hand that beats you (69xx), he was probably drawing to the flush as opposed to the straight, and was bluffing you with a busted flush draw (there were 2 flush draws on the turn, I don't think he'd draw to a straight with 2 flush draws out there). Btw if I were you I'd check raise the turn (Since he c bet the flop he would likely c bet the turn) not the flop, if the draws don't complete by the turn you'd be giving him terrible odds to call - by check raising the flop you give him good implied odds to draw.

Hi Matt, 

Thanks for your reply. Your response has helped me think about the game in a much deeper way. 

Reg. my opponents range your are correct. Reg. my range OOP - I check raise all monster draws and made hands on the flop, check raise all monster hands (double flush with straight/set/2pair) on the turn. Actually I misplayed this hand, I should have lead out on the turn because of the obvious flush draw however I think I opted for the check-raise since my opponent c-bet the flop and would likely c-bet the turn. With air, I put my opponents on a range and check raise/ donk bet scare cards. My opponents have been adjusting and checking back alot of flops, so I am adjusting and donk/ c-betting alot of the hands I'd normally check raise with. 

Once again thanks for your reply its been most helpful. 

Thanks,

Marlon. 

I know PLO is a game of small edges, but I try my best to get it in with the best of it post flop. The other day I took a shot at 5/10, under the gun raised, I called from UTG+1 with a good AA, everyone else calls. Flop comes A82, now I get aggressive knowing I have the best hand, I bet pot from OOP, everyone folds, the button raises pot with 88, I re-pot and we get it all in. He wins with runner runner flush, but I got it in as an 88% fav. 

If you don't flop a set or better in a multi-way pot are you just going to blindly go all in on the flop? I'm comfortable doing this against 1 player, but multi-way it seems so much more likely that someone hits the board and you got all your money in as an underdog. 

I tend to 3 bet premium rundowns, if I have a read based on the action that the other players have Broadway cards, this way I either hit the flop and get it all in with the best of it, or give up. If im in position I could also rep the ace if no one bets. 

I'm not sure about the correct play, however I can explain the way I play, and why its been profitable for me. 

1. Multiple players in the pot - I call with hands like AAKK (double high pocket pair hands) since I want to catch top set and stack them. You may ask why I don't raise? Well because 1. they aren't folding alot from position. 2. They know what hand we have. And if we hit the flop well we aren't getting alot of chips, and if we don't we may lose alot of chips. 

2. Against a single opponent (any position), I raise with any of these 4 hand types (http://www.bluff.com/magazine/four-betting-in-plo-15535/). I'm looking to either make a continuation bet on the flop or check raise. Many a time I choose not to protect my hand and go for a check raise, since this confuses my opponents into thinking I have a draw and stacking off with a weak made hand or a draw. 

Basically playing OOP is hard, you need to chose the most aggressive option to playing your hand else you stand no chance of winning in the long term, you cannot afford to be passive. 

Maybe not. You had approx 50% equity vs a premium hand containing the nut flush draw.

1. If the turn gives you a straight your likely not good since there was already a Q-high straight on the flop. 

2. If the turn gives you a flush, your opponent could have a higher flush, you'd be then drawing dead. 

3. If the turn is a blank you'd have less than 30% equity vs a premium hand containing the nut flush draw.

Only if you hit the straight flush your good, and you'd expect to be paid off by a higher flush, which is what happened. I believe that if you just flat called, you'd see a cheaper turn/ river to make your hand, and then anyways get paid off by a higher flush, an A/K-high flush would assume they have the nuts and raise-re-raise you all in, giving you full value if you make your hand. Also, if someone hit a full house by the river, and you make your straight flush, you will also get paid off by them. 

I think that playing an A high flush/ draw aggressively is alright because you want 2 pair hands which could make full houses to fold. However with the straight flush/ draw, you want all possible hands in to pay you off when you hit. 

Hope this helps. 

<200 BB deep its not worth it, however >= 300 BB if you have a premium rundown that could play well post flop then paying for this info pre-flop is worthwhile I think. The game I was playing started at 100 BB but stack sizes were 300-350 BB at the time of this hand. 

I'm not sure how others react to a limp, but I am not confused, he wants to see a cheap flop, and stack me when he hits the nuts. I always raise, especially those pesky short stackers, and bet the flop. If they call me I take them seriously and try to make a hand or bluff on a scare card. 

Btw, sorry if I didn't mention, I raise when Im in position, out of position I'd fold unless I have AA in a 3-bet pot, in which case I'd 4 bet. Also, I'm referring to PLO, NOT NLHE, I don't play Holdem. Its very hard to play out of position for me, when I play OOP I play super aggressive which thus far hasn't worked too well for me, keep getting stacked. 

I do agree with you that limping sometimes confuses players, especially the BB. When I'm in the BB and someone in position limps, I'll see a flop and check it down unless I flop the stone cold nuts, they simply have great implied odds for me to value bet. 

Also, you mentioned players make mistakes, but are the mistakes for their entire stack? I think this game should be played for stacks, and you ain't getting anyone's stack by playing a small pot pre-flop. 

When you limp in, you play a small pot unless raised. So whats to play for unless you and your opponent flop a strong hand/ draw ? There is no money in the pot == much less action. 

I'm new to the game, but I always raise and re-raise so I can to build a big pot. If I flop well I continue, else I decide whether to bluff or not. The only time I consider flatting is if my opponent would 4 bet me light. If he only 4 bets with AA then that's great, half his hand is revealed. Hope this helps. 

Hello,

May I ask what is the software that show 68% besides your username? And does it represent the relative strength of your hand vs his range? 

Thanks

Marlon. 

Yes. I guess in the long term that was a bad move, and I shall look to play stronger hands. However they were raising every single hand, so at the time this hand seemed better than their range. 

Hi.

Thanks for your advice. 

I was hoping to exploit their loose play in this way i.e re-raising pre flop, since I cannot exploit them post flop unless I flop a good hand/ draw, which does not happen often. I recon their weakest point is pre-flop, thus I took this line of re-raising pre-flop.Should they tighten up, I can then play smaller pots post flop. 

Could you recommend any other way to exploit them? 

Appreciate your advice. 

Thanks,

Marlon.