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I almost feel bad for reking him so hard lol

You're right reStacks, I'm sure everyone at 100 is snap folding to shoves in 3b pots every time when it's basically all-in to call, and Jonna is a max exploit master who knows something we don't. Way to bring us back to reality.

Why would raising and reraising each other be collusion?
Also no bot maker is stupid enough to have their bots act instantly or always within the same time frames. I guess you love commenting on stuff you have idea about since you also comment on 25/50 hand histories when you can't beat micros.

His graph is still cropped to end at February and has no by stake report, I wouldn't say that he has demonstrated impressive results up to 200.
That being said I do agree I don't need to go any further with this, I think the evidence speaks for itself.

I am definitely not a shill for Jonna unless I misunderstood your post. As I said, I find the lack of EV lines and cropped graphs kind of suspicious and I am still highly dubious of his ability. I think that a non-cropped by-stake breakdown with EV lines would be a lot more convincing, I still don't see why he would move from 500z down to 50z if his theory is so strong and actually worth paying for. I know solid players who have run unbelievably bad for a long time and they never had to move down to 1/10th of the stake.
Regarding David, I believe that theory is a good way to learn , I just think it is better to learn theory from somebody who is a proven winner at reasonable stakes (in EV). Obviously I am not saying "do xyz" is what coaches should be telling you, this is kind of a strawman.

Thank you for posting graphs, they are pretty cool, my only questions are why you only have EV line for one graph, and also why your graphs stop after February?
Thanks.

im raising you on this flop every hand

Not a good idea to raise the turn, his drawing hands have poor equity against us and we have poor equity against any 8+. With this hand I think that we want to just call and try to somehow get to showdown at most SPR's
If your percieved 5bet range is a fair amount wider than aces I think it becomes an easy snapcall snapcallmostrivers

edit:
Misread the SPR, lol. Pretty easy fold here I think. His WTSD and W$SD indicate that he is a very tight player postflop.

Assuming SPR *2, if we can bluff him when clubs come we win on 41% of rivers (assuming he's cbetting all his completed FD's OTR and we fold).
Actually, it might even be better if is he calling on clubs, assuming he is also calling on board pairing rivers, since we will have a FH on the river slightly more often than a flush.
On paired/clubs rivers, we will be having the best hand over half the time, so we make money whether he folds or calls.
We will lose a bit of money when he makes his flush combo draw OTR, although I doubt this happens often enough to make it not a call. (You could check in PJ)

Is my thinking correct here?

Don't think we can profitably call a 4bet here 100bb deep if they are only 4betting aces

Fold flop

Agree just a flat pre, that being said..
I'm not extremely familiar with pro poker tools, but in your link, It looks like you are comparing KK74 to all combinations that you listed for villain. This will only give you your equity against those hands, it doesn't reflect how often villain will actually have those hands.

We can find how often villain will have a 3 on this board using PJ
(you can also do this with PPT but I don't know how)
Let's say that BTN is opening 60% and we exclude the top 2% because he didn't 4bet us.
I gave the small blind 30%, not sure if this is right?
On this flop, we will have 45% equity on average.
Someone will have trips or better a bit under 12% of the time, and we will mostly be up against air, flush draws, some gutters+, and aces that can draw to an overpair.

Against players who you do not to get out of line on boards like this, I like to go with a small bet sizing for protection and value from draws.This also allows bluffs to be a lot cheaper and more credible on other boards with this texture.
I would bet bigger here if players in your pool are more likely to chase draws in 3bet pots.

I would be interested to hear what other people do on these boards though. I think that if they hadn't both just called the 3bet pre and it was just a single raised pot it's just a c/c?

I think you can do this in pokerjuice might be wrong though

I usually overlimp middle pocket pairs and trash Axs, other than that I play tight and raise if I have a high implied odds hand to lower the SPR on flop. Don't have stats, would have to check when I'm home, but it's probably something like 23/8 on average

Ok I see what you meant now

I got that it would be the same? Did I do something wrong here?

(raise turn)

pot on turn: 23c
bb bets 11, hero raises to 56, bb calls 45
pot on river: 135
bb checks, hero bets 135 bb calls 135
final pot = 405

(raise river)

pot on turn: 23c
bb bets 11, hero calls 11
pot on river: 45
bb bets 45, hero raises to 180, bb calls 135
final pot = 405

I'm folding to the flop raise, many players will expect you to have AAxx when you 3bet pre especially at these stakes, and I can't really think of any hands that the villain is raising for value on the flop that you are beating. I don't expect kings to ever raise this flop thinking that they are best, otherwise I assume they would have just 4bet pre.

Thanks for the video, I play mostly anonymous poker so the no HUD is relevant to my games.

Yes, you can learn PLO without being good at NL, it will just take longer
You don't have to go broke, just grind 1c/2c zoom on stars until you learn the fundamentals
"PLO: The big play strategy" is a good starting book for absolute beginners

Let this be a lesson on how aggressively you can bet the nut flush for value at this stake.

Probably folding this pre UTG even double suited, is it just me?

Yes, because you have way better position from CO and BTN

I play lower stakes but the flop bet seems pretty ambitious going 4 ways to the flop, yes they shouldn't have many 3x but when there are 12 other cards out there there is still a pretty decent chance that one of them binked at least trips.
Not sure on how to play the turn and river, again not sure if my reasoning is right, just my thoughts.

If people are paying off your strong donk bets and not picking up that you have a super strong donk betting range then I would just keep doing it instead of trying to balance. If some of the regs start folding to your donk bets constantly, then I would start incorporating bluffs against those players.
As far as your donk-fold being so high, not really sure what to make of it. If people have super nutted flop raising ranges and your donk-fold is just what % of the time you fold to a flop raise after donking, this might be fine? Assuming that since they are nutted you are only getting 2bet on the flop very infrequently so it shouldn't be hurting you much.

I just played stars 10z for the last 2 days after not playing stars in a few months and I noticed weird 3bet dynamics as well. Wasn't expecting it since I expected people to be nitty pre in the zoom pools. Will think about your post more and edit this later probably.

I don't play 100z but I have heard that yes it is incredibly nitty.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/38/small-stakes-pl-omaha/3-5k-milestone-starting-hand-chart-6max-1227072/

Lol, 6 card PLO is a thing? Jesus christ, too many cards man.

I added the OP on skype, maybe if we get a few people together we can get a skype group going so we can have more inputs and consistency between time zones.