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so just to make sure I have not missed something here..... I read the Hwang article .... if you get Allin 3 way on Poker Stars ... all players cards are not know by Poker Tacker 4 ...   or is it only when you are all in and there is subsequent betting after you are all in (possibly on the next street) and one of the players fold

This would explain the epidemic of players running bankrolls below EV

If anyone can clarify please do

Thanks

This helps immensely ... I see from what you have described here ... what looks like a possible misunderstanding or carry over from NL of mine to avoid playing OOP at all costs .... You have shown me the numbers and made me see that possibly there is another way to look at this in general with equities running much closer together .... looks like I am severely undervaluing medium strength hands in certain spots ... I will watch the videos you suggested plus look to incorporate this into my play ... cant thank you enough 

thanks crakl .... shocked to hear the 100bi below ev .... but I guess it takes 2 strong hands to get in there same as any format ..... would you agree then that a more profitable slash less unprofitable  red line is more attainable there then .... thanks

anything you can see here would be much appreciated... thanks dude

would be totally open to dropping to 50 to see whats what ... but do you feel the rake is beatable that low exclusive of vpp program? 

jonna this is awesome stuff ... cant thank you enough ... this will help

see post directly below it was a reply but i didnt hit it .... thanks soo muuch for your input 

i appreciate this very much .... which pf positional stats should i filter .... the original post at the top has positional stats for me what is that chart missing that i should include .... thanks so much 

i think this thread is an awesome idea ... as soon as i get home i will post my graph ... if it were to get going ... would be great if we can all see any sort of correlation between redline, winnings, std deviation ect ... or maybe we wouldnt but that would be great to see also ... mine looks similar to yours same stakes larger sample ....

ty so much ... i never thought of it quite like that

I play 2 to 4 tables of Zoom PLO ... I was playing Deep Non Zoom last year and found I was insulated from this below EV stuff but maybe just ran better overall ....

here are my stats filtered at $1 PLO only since ZOOM doesn't look as terrible but same red line issues ... or non issues ... as you have pointed out thanks

so in my graph would you view red line blue line relationship as a  likely non winning ratio ... is this where I need to focus on  ... full stop no more questions tytytytytytyty

not to come back at you with so many more questions but there was so much juice in your answer that it just has my mind running ....

are there any tools to help approximate what you said about 50% chance of marginal winning orver certain sample size ... ect

thanks again

THANKS SO MUCH ... didn't think I would get such usefull info ... can you roughly quantify SHARPLY for me thanks

Thanks you soo much ... appreciate the insight ... it is very useful to me

also please feel free to post any graphs which show above below ev ... am I on an island here thanks

Phil post your graph ... haha

I use PT4 can help you with what I can ... specific questions would be best approach ... I could use some help with my game ... currently 40bi below EV 70K sample 200 zoom .... and neutral EV is break even ... PM me

I also play 200 zoom on stars ... please pm as well would like to contribute

will provide more graphs ect if ive left something out .... besides my payment for coaching ... haha ... I know its my first post on site and asking for a lot but ... looking forward to contributing what I can also .. thanks