Josh Hart
1 points
without history, i think its a clear freeze and call the end. i think that decent 9s are a value bet in his position although not everyone will + hes a random and might just bet for the sake of not wanting to face a bet.
a more interesting question is whats the worst hand you raise for value here. i think ppl are reluctant to break in this spot, especially the first time this spot occurs.
May 13, 2013 | 1:18 p.m.
really enjoyed the video, liked the way you commented on other ppls play and not just your own.
Jan. 11, 2013 | 3:35 a.m.
Since you asked for comments/opinions on this video I'd like to hear a few more thoughts on spots I found worth noting:
1) As Justin pointed out, the massive 4bet shove in the very first hand seems pretty questionable and I'd like to see the math behind this, especially given that we have plenty of other options besides just ripping it in.
2) AKs in the 109c @3:30 -- Given that you seemed surprised about villain stacking off with just 77 here I assume you didn't have any reads in particular. As far as your reasoning goes you only comment along the lines of "We 3bet with the intention of getting it in and we'll be sticking to that plan". That leaves me with a few questions; How do you construct your 3betting range this deep against an UTG open? As a result of that, which range do you expect villain to take this line with? Again, some math/Pokerstove to back up your thinking would be greatly appreciated.
3) AQs in the 109 Turbo @18:02 -- As a reasoning for flat-calling from the SB you mention that it'll be hard to play this particular hand multiway in a 3bet pot when you miss the board but you also say (referring to a single raised pot) that it does play well multiway. You clearly contradict yourself here.
I also partly disagree with your reasoning for not 3betting. It is very unlikely that you'll end up 3- or even 4-ways when you squeeze and playing OOP will be significantly easier once you have the initiative. Unless you expect either of them to either call a squeeze very tight or 4bet at a very high frequency you'll be building the pot against dominated ranges which obviously is great for you.
Given all that, a 3bet seems far superior.
4) J8s in the 109c @20:08 -- Despite taking an unconventional line by checking back air on such a dry flop like AQ5r I do understand your logic behind it. But again, I have a few points I disagree with or would like to hear additional thoughts:
Assuming he'll always lead turn with the hands he'd continue with anyway and never bets his air he would fold regardless, this line is fine and does indeed lead to great results for us. Unfortunately, this isn't how it works.
If your checking back range consists of very good hands, weak Ax, Qx and complete air it'll be pretty profitable for him to always fire two streets with his KJ/JT type hands and get you off a bunch of stuff easily.
Also any at least somewhat decent regular will pick up on that strategy fairly quick and can exploit you by simply checking a decent part of his SDV again and having you bluff into him.
Even though I'm a big fan of 'thinking outside the box' and taking tricky/new lines, I don't think this is the spot for it and you'll achieve a higher profit longterm if you just bet a very large part, if not all, of your range here.
5) AKo in the Big 55 @25:10 -- I dislike this shove a lot and disagree with your statement that people will be calling this shove incorrectly/too wide. With that many BBs UTG you'll be shoving a reasonably tight range and weak players, maybe even fish, won't be calling that much wider than they should (the opposite goes for shoves from the BTN/SB with 10-15BB against fish where they will make huge mistakes).
Most of our value in a spot like this comes from people flatting our open with dominated hands such as Axs, KT-KQ etc and stacking off with worse very frequently.
6) JTs in the 109c @39:04 -- Opening is obviously fine but I do think that your cbet is atrocious.
Which purpose does it serve? Which hands are you trying to get to fold, which hands would you like to get called by? What's your plan for various turns and rivers?
You're saying you're aiming to bet all three streets (as a bluff, I'm assuming) and to have about two times the pot left on the turn. You actually do end up heads-up on the turn but elect to check. What happened to your plan to bet three and which runouts did you anticipate to do that on?
In my opinion you'll win the pot with your cbet in probably less than 10% or even 5% and anybody expect maybe a huge whale will give you a very hard time on basically every runout, meaning you're essentially burning chips by cbetting here.
The way the hand played out seems quite fortunate and I'd expect that to happen very rarely.
I actually stopped watching the video after this hand as I felt there was nothing I could gain from it and it also did strike me as anything but "Elite".
I'd like to apologise in advance if this comes of as too harsh and my logic might well be flawed, it's pretty late.
expand1) As Justin pointed out, the massive 4bet shove in the very first hand seems pretty questionable and I'd like to see the math behind this, especially given that we have plenty of other options besides just ripping it in.
2) AKs in the 109c @3:30 -- Given that you seemed surprised about villain stacking off with just 77 here I assume you didn't have any reads in particular. As far as your reasoning goes you only comment along the lines of "We 3bet with the intention of getting it in and we'll be sticking to that plan". That leaves me with a few questions; How do you construct your 3betting range this deep against an UTG open? As a result of that, which range do you expect villain to take this line with? Again, some math/Pokerstove to back up your thinking would be greatly appreciated.
3) AQs in the 109 Turbo @18:02 -- As a reasoning for flat-calling from the SB you mention that it'll be hard to play this particular hand multiway in a 3bet pot when you miss the board but you also say (referring to a single raised pot) that it does play well multiway. You clearly contradict yourself here.
I also partly disagree with your reasoning for not 3betting. It is very unlikely that you'll end up 3- or even 4-ways when you squeeze and playing OOP will be significantly easier once you have the initiative. Unless you expect either of them to either call a squeeze very tight or 4bet at a very high frequency you'll be building the pot against dominated ranges which obviously is great for you.
Given all that, a 3bet seems far superior.
4) J8s in the 109c @20:08 -- Despite taking an unconventional line by checking back air on such a dry flop like AQ5r I do understand your logic behind it. But again, I have a few points I disagree with or would like to hear additional thoughts:
Assuming he'll always lead turn with the hands he'd continue with anyway and never bets his air he would fold regardless, this line is fine and does indeed lead to great results for us. Unfortunately, this isn't how it works.
If your checking back range consists of very good hands, weak Ax, Qx and complete air it'll be pretty profitable for him to always fire two streets with his KJ/JT type hands and get you off a bunch of stuff easily.
Also any at least somewhat decent regular will pick up on that strategy fairly quick and can exploit you by simply checking a decent part of his SDV again and having you bluff into him.
Even though I'm a big fan of 'thinking outside the box' and taking tricky/new lines, I don't think this is the spot for it and you'll achieve a higher profit longterm if you just bet a very large part, if not all, of your range here.
5) AKo in the Big 55 @25:10 -- I dislike this shove a lot and disagree with your statement that people will be calling this shove incorrectly/too wide. With that many BBs UTG you'll be shoving a reasonably tight range and weak players, maybe even fish, won't be calling that much wider than they should (the opposite goes for shoves from the BTN/SB with 10-15BB against fish where they will make huge mistakes).
Most of our value in a spot like this comes from people flatting our open with dominated hands such as Axs, KT-KQ etc and stacking off with worse very frequently.
6) JTs in the 109c @39:04 -- Opening is obviously fine but I do think that your cbet is atrocious.
Which purpose does it serve? Which hands are you trying to get to fold, which hands would you like to get called by? What's your plan for various turns and rivers?
You're saying you're aiming to bet all three streets (as a bluff, I'm assuming) and to have about two times the pot left on the turn. You actually do end up heads-up on the turn but elect to check. What happened to your plan to bet three and which runouts did you anticipate to do that on?
In my opinion you'll win the pot with your cbet in probably less than 10% or even 5% and anybody expect maybe a huge whale will give you a very hard time on basically every runout, meaning you're essentially burning chips by cbetting here.
The way the hand played out seems quite fortunate and I'd expect that to happen very rarely.
I actually stopped watching the video after this hand as I felt there was nothing I could gain from it and it also did strike me as anything but "Elite".
I'd like to apologise in advance if this comes of as too harsh and my logic might well be flawed, it's pretty late.
Dec. 25, 2012 | 5:35 a.m.
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Hey Tom, do you plan to go over any live play footage at any point to discuss theory in some live spots?
April 6, 2018 | 1:13 p.m.