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think u have to call the original donk bet with 8 cleanouts to the nuts. A flat can generate worse calls from behind to which gives us better odds. Also, in general, live plays more passive and no one is squeezing behind without the absolute nuts, which means we at least see turns here often fairly cheap, all things considered(implied odds).

:) great posts Ralph

If you guys have ever owned a wank sock you would dig this screen name as much as I do

WookGweenwood

surely you forgot the decimals before the 10/20 no (.10/.20)?

" I think its a good range merge because he could call me light not believing me with a hand like TT or 99 but also might fold AK/AA or 2 pair, fearing the 3 card straight out there."

I experienced head assplode a few times reading the OP but this took the cake.

ok, I fell for the troll......

there is a thread for video requests, post your request there.

i think it sounds like u need to improve. dont get discouraged. if u enjoy playing them, drop down some buyins where you can comfortably play freely and not worry about losing an amount of money that u will worry about. from there, keep playing, thinking, questioning, and improving. The rake is difficult to overcome but with rakeback(VIP), winning money is possible (even without but hard).

locate where your stars hand histories are saved, find this information in the stars client.

after you know where the hh's are saved, go into hm2 and select "import from folder." choose the folder where your stars hh's are saved and it will begin importing them

yes, chipEV is a decent way to look how you are doing. Well, for me, i can play spins on an American site, for some reason my roi does not get properly tracked. I can however track how many chips I am earning or supposed to be earning per game (games played/chips gained). From there though, u need to know how many chips being earned equates to which roi. on the american site its something like 32 chips gained per game = 0% roi, 35 gained = 1% roi, 37.5 chips gained 2% roi, and so forth. these numbers are going to depend on the rake of the game but in your case im sure it is as close as the site I play on mimicked stars spins. although, i think stars has antes and the american site does not(WPN). rake + rewards may vary as well

I hear absolutely no thought process or reasoning for your plays. three minutes in and it is "here I'm going to 3bet", "here I have to bet", "I will bet any river."

i don't want to sound like a prick but there is no training happening. it's simply, "watch me play poker." from there it is up to the viewer to draw conclusions as for the "whys."

I think I have stated this before and it's not only you Javier. I know there are time constrictions also, but as a paying customer I simply expect to hear a bit more detail. I am grateful for yours and others videos but I simply wish you could go into a bit more detail more often than you do

welcome to poker.......again. what you struggle with or want to improve on is what we all want to improve on. I would start with an essential subscription and watch videos and get very active in the comments section of each video. ask questions. question, question, question. why are we doing this? would this line be better than this one? who is the villain? what is his range? etc. get active, there are plenty of videos to get you in the right direction. start earning some at the tables and that would justify upgrading to elite. keep an open mind, it's a very complex game but just start tackling it one day at a time with an open mind and a light heart (don't get frustrated).

at 6:50, u state the pot odds of the prior hand was 2.7 to 1 ( j 10 offsuit facing river bet). however after villains bet there was 116k in the pot, u had to call 33k, laying you 3.5 to 1 not?

very bad shove!

def being results oriented. can't get into much detail, on an iPad. but, smaller flop sizing gives them better odds with inferior hands, in a vacuum making your smaller sizing worse. I say in a vacuum because there is a fine line where we want to be called and don't. well, in this instance with him having a5, we want called. if half pot folds that out and 1/3rd doesn't, I'm betting 1/3rd all day, again, in a vacuum, I know this hand was multiway postflop and we must think range, not hand. your flop bet was fine, you expected to gain a lot more chips with that sizing.

sort them by most likes, the ones with the most likes are probobaly ones where people see the most value :)

it's a live mtt, the blinds 3 bet ranges are so tight that not opening is missing out on value. u played the hand fine. details would be better though. what were the pot odds on the turn? flop bet would have been ok in a vacuum also.

postanalblowjob69 - pretty vulgar lol

not exactly tighter, that is dependant on villains frequencies(3-betting, fold to steals, etc) but hands have different values at different stack depths. For instance, AA goes up in value the shorter stacks get and the opposite is true with suited connectors, they go down in value the shorter stacks get. This is something to think about :)

queenoffarts is pretty good

but my personal favorite: "wank sock"

u would have already found out if he had 33 way before the river, that I can pretty much assure you. villain could float the flop with AJ and easily check/call turn, you do block a jack which would make that hand a little less likely but ignoring the blocking effect, he could certainly have AJ.

what information do you have on the sb? I was thinking there's a chance he had a q9dd type hand but that's impossible as is j9dd.

i think the most likely hands he shows up with is AJ or A 10. i guess looking at it again though, some suited 10s in diamonds could make sense as well. 10 9dd - 10 7dd.

before the hand continued, did u assign the sb and bb a flatting range? what kind of flatting range did u assign sb pre?

I still think there should be SNG content, pretty surprised there is absolutely none. Maybe i can do some vids :)

yes, that would equate for a winner take all which equates to chipEV.

but there should be an option to simply use "chipEv"

yes, you did have a good grasp of what was going on in this hand Felipe. But, there is certainly the possibility of villain having 9 10 ss here or a very weirdly played K 10 ss, 9 10 ss being more likely than the latter. Also, do you think A8 would call a shove, or AJ? the price would be good but with your line they would both be tough calls. So, all in all, perhaps you shouldn't be embarrassed for not shoving :). it is certainly an interesting spot and in the end, im not sure a shove is showing much more expectation than a flat, i would love to be able to figure that out, but that's over my head. I guess too, many villains would lead a hand like 9 10 ss on the flop, same as K 10 ss, because they are pretty strong draws with not a lot of SD value, so this would advocate a river shove more so when you look at it in that regard, that all boils down to how the villain plays.

i know this is an old video so i may not get a reply(but hopefully, because this is my second time through and im taking detailed notes). But in the second hand, i was a bit shocked that you said a 3 bet with ak67 double suited would have been a better 3-bet than the hand you had, ak34 double suited. In fact, you stated your hand in the example would have been a better call but had your 34 been 67 a 3 bet would have been better.

i was surprised by this because i didnt think 67 opposed to 34 was that much of an upgrade to now qualify for a "better" 3 bet. I figured with 34, having the wheel possibilities, it may actually be stronger, as it is quite a bit more connected, seemingly.

is 67 opposed to 34 that much better of a 3 bet because we can potentially make higher two pairs? would you stand by your original statement that ak67 double suited would be a good 3bet and ak34 double suited would be a better call?

One other reason i like a bigger sizing in this pot is the fact it's 4-way. 3-way or HU, we don't have to be as worried about protection, but when there are 12 cards out there(3 players x 4 cards :)) we have to bet larger, that makes sense from a theory standpoint, eh? And, kind of what Phil touched on; some of the opponents are indifferent to sizing. whether betting 70% of the pot or 90% of the pot, it's not going to make that much of a difference, so with the goods we ought to size up. You saw this first hand in the example, the guy flatted his second nut flush draw with not much else with it.

you said "What would you do against <20bb stack depth by villian ? Is shoving then the play ?"

so were you referring to preflop shoving? because i implied it has in, you wanted to 3bet shove the flop. i did read your post bro

and yes, im posting from Mars

Hey OP: i have now logged 1500 hands at PLO, i filtered for players between 4 and 6. my vpip is at 29.5, so it has dropped a little.

my expected value bb/100 hands is at 24.2 :) - again, very small sample so i can't put too much weight into this but im feeling good. i even spewed in about three hands kind of hard and went against my read. the most recent example was when i cold called a 3bet with kkxx(dont even remember my other two cards) from the SB. flop came A K x rainbow :(. let's just say it didn't end well, he had AA, in which i felt strongly that he did. he 3bet from the CO i believe vs an EP open so his 3b range had to theoretically be fairly tight and his HUD 3 bet stat in a limited sample was somewhat small, maybe like 5-6%.

anyway, i guess a 26 vpip is reasonable. ironically we both have PFR's of 19% :). AND, i filtered my results for exactly 6 handed, my VPIP is 26, so your vpip is absolutely reasonable by my standards.

a few other things to note: i see your screenshots do not have an early position listed. when i look at my HM2 I have EP and MP. my vpip from EP is 14, which correlates with a NLH range, i guess, or atleast close. However im not sure if thats good in PLO, im guessing its pretty reasonable.

Meh, perhaps a lot of this is irrelevant anyway. someone linked an interview with JoeyIngram and Ben86 somewhere on RIO and i watched it. Ben86 is a huge crusher and in that interview he was talking about how a friend of his was trying to mimic his frequencies but that's not necessarily a good thing or even right. your preflop frequencies, in a nutshell, are going to correlate with your post flop frequencies. So, it's not necessarily right to play a 26 vpip from 2nd position just because "the best player in the world is," you know? Basically, you have to know how to play that 26 vpip range if you're going to play it, whereas another player may be better off playing 23 vpip and hell, someone may be better off playing a 32 vpip in that same spot. So, maybe frequency talk is somewhat irrelevant. Most likely, you have a little work to do on your postflop game, so keep the head high, continue trying to find out where you are leaking, and work on fixing those leaks one at a time; that's why we are all here.

:)

i cant get screenshots to show up very well. I wanted to show you my numbers in my limited sample.

yesterday was the most PLO cash i probably ever played. i logged some hands on Bovada that aren't in my database but i also played 426 hands at .25/.50 and 369 hands at .10/.25 on WPN. Perhaps being a Sunday yesterday, the games were pretty good which helped my winrate and again, my sample is so limited you can't draw conclusions. But in those ~800 hands I showed an expectation of +$220 and my VPIP was at 33. My expectation "should" have been even higher as i got way to loose in a hand with top pair and overs and got in 125bb with pretty bad equity. But, 33 was my overall VPIP for that session and i felt I was playing pretty well aside of two hands. Also, people don't seem to 3bet that often in PLO, games seem to be a bit more passive preflop. so this is encouraging and can allow you to open a few more pots.

Also, one other bright spot for you is that, looking at your graph, your first ~2000 hands are worse than your last ~8000. It looks like you were breaking even for about your first 3k hands(small sample though) but you are progressively improving your orange line. So, as i said earlier, keep working, keep chipping away, small steps one day at a time, don't get discouraged, and you will be on your way to improving that orange line everyday.

well, it's not over folding if folding is the correct play. huge ICM tax here though vs the chip leader and you have to acknowledge that. I think flatting pre may have been the best play as well. shoving here with villain having no FE is probobaly worse than folding(I could be wrong and should look into this more), the ICM factor is that big here on the stone bubble though, the way the chips are distributed. as Raph mentioned, it's an ICM disaster getting involved here with the CL, meaning it's a monetary disaster(of course there are hands with enough equity to profitably do so). the blinds are about to hit the other two shorties as well. you are in a pretty good spot to cash really, this spot simply comes down to knowing more about ICM than PLO.

seems like u have a good grasp on the situation, you crunched the ICM numbers and found the answer to how much equity you needed to profitably shove versus his supposed any 4 open. why are you now ignoring the answers you came up with? you note you will be the first to be blinded out but there is still a ton of play left.

another thing to consider is how aware the other villains are of ICM. perhaps there is a good chance that one of the other two will get it in to light versus the CL, or in your favor, perhaps versus each other.