Kevin Brown

Wouldn't want to speak for Brian, but I would think his flat from BB not SB statement is more a statement on relative hand values, your hand value looks much wider flatting BB than flatting out of the SB with the BB still to act behind. Especially as people start flatting much wider out of the BB in spots where they're essentially just calling an extra chip.

Good vid again Dave, I'm curious re: Nash at times though. You were right, plugging in that K2 jam by Chance K8o is the bottom.

What I'm wondering though is about your calling range it spits out, which feels drastically wrong. The calling range it gives you not only says calling K10o is bad, it says calling SIGNFICANTLY better hands than K10o even is bad. The range it spits out for you to call is: 77+ A8s+ A9o+...and that feels WAY too tight to call a 5bb shove 4-handed when he's about to walk into the blinds. We're really folding all KQ(soot and un) there? We're really folding A7 soot there? We're really folding 66 there? I'm curious, because you mention Nash a bunch in your videos, what you make of that range for you. Literally everything it gave me when I punched this in feels insane to me(I'm ignoring the overcalling ranges it spits out for SB(QQ+)(!!!!) and BB(JJ+)(!!!!!) as well.

I've never really played around with the chart before(although in playing around with it, most of my self-taught ranges mirror what comes out here fairly closely), but this is the first time I've been absolutely floored by what it spit back at us.

For anyone wondering since I was...I plugged the shove by cswidler with the K8o into Nash(with also plugging in all appropriate payouts), and Nash says it's not a shove. The range it gave him to shove was 22+ Ax+ K6s+ KTo+ Q8s+ QTo+ J8s+ JTo T7s+ 97s+ 87s 76s.

I just don't see the argument honestly.

(For the sake of these figures I actually looked up the 2010 WCOOP Main because I was fairly certain this was right, and it was)

This is the richest tournament in the history of online poker. I know $8,000 is nothing to sneeze at and is a nice result, but I can't stress how little that has to mean to you when everyone at the final table is guaranteed 6-figures and there's $2,278,000 up top. MTT poker is all about end game. You also got in on a free-roll(sorta), so your eyes should be up top, you've been given a free chance to win all that money...this really can't be a decision.

I'd also say this: 0 hands in 30 doesn't mean he's waiting for AA. It means he's waiting for a big hand. QQ+ and AK is the top 2.5% of hands which means if he's waiting for those he's only playing 1 in 40...and KK heavily beats that range. If we ever think JJ can make it's way in(which is still possible even though he's folded 30 in a row) it's a massively +EV spot, but even without it's a very +EV spot to get you to 40bb and give you room to maybe make a run at $2.3M rather than $8k.

Not that I'm exactly the sicko you were looking for, and you are considerably sicker than I, but since no one else has responded I'll chime in with $0.02 on it.

I think given everything you summarized here, that I'm folding pretty much always. If the table were maybe a bit tougher you could perhaps justify the play for every reason you've given, but the short answer to this is you have 25bb which(and maybe this is partly internet MTT mentality I realize) I'm perfectly fine with. I'm not necessarily happy about it, but I know I can work with 25bb...especially at a table that you've described as pretty soft("All players between MP1 and SB are tight/straightforward"). Because of that, I'm fine taking what I believe is going to be a fairly simple chip up at the table vs the weaker/tighter players(you won 3 hands in the last orbit for instance, and had built your stack up from being very short you said). It seems like the simplest thing is just taking our edge at the table and chipping up slowly rather than taking a pretty hugely high variance spot like this(because I assume we can agree that given their 75bb effective stack sizes(SB and MP1), SB's value 3b range is pretty narrow, and we're stone dead against basically all of it).

You explained the reasons SB's 3b can be good, and as I just hinted, his actual value 3b range should be pretty narrow(you wouldn't really 3b AQ for instance I don't think, because then you're just turning AQ into a bluff, unless you're getting 75bb in with AQ which I don't see ever being good), so he's super polarized, but I think the flip side is I would caution you described him as fairly LAGgy, but not bad. If you think MP1 is good, we can safely assume he does too, and given deep stack sizes, SB light-3b'ing with frequency is going to be really awkward, because I think we can both assume that MP1 is flatting a pretty huge chunk of his range and playing a flop in position. So while he seems super polarized because his value 3b range seems really nutty, and it's easy to say "he's got a thin value range so obviously he's full of shit", the caution would be he shouldn't be light 3b'ing all that frequently despite what you explained, because he's just bloating what is inevitably going to be a difficult pot for him to win against a solid opponent while he's OOP.

As for my range to actually do the squeeze, it'd be moderately snug, although since you do mention it, I'd likely try it with something like QJs and regret it afterwards.

And to the other question about how often I make zero equity "big" moves...I think we're both of a similar mindset honestly, if I see something developing that I feel strongly about, I'm usually fine to go with it...I think in this case I just disagree with how good a spot this is, especially factoring in table draw.

I just realized I started this all with "the short answer is". Whoops.

Guessing from flop pot size and the hand he shows down that the first thing is size of the open...bvb 3x'ing makes a lot more sense to try and price someone out of taking flops in position against you.

Flop fine. Turn is tricky. I don't mind the check at all, but I think check/jam is a smarter line. Board still isn't the worst, but it's not the best to check/call and give him control on a river when a lot of the deck can potentially be bad(clubs/Q/K/A...and sometimes some straight draw combos now as well) and you let him play pretty perfectly on river against you. River is just an awful card and you need to find a fold there.

I pretty much think this really comes down to what you mean by the phrase "competent/plays well". I'm pretty tempted to agree with Jason(not just because he's Jason), if we don't have a very strong read I think flatting is likely better...

That said, if by your read being she plays well, you meant she seems capable of being tricky and putting us in difficult spots, then yes, 3-5'ing makes the most sense because AJ > her perceived range and assuming our sizing is strong, it simplifies the hand to just that, you having AJ vs a good player in a very aggro spot(button vs blinds) and deciding that folding isn't an option.

However, if by playing well, you just mean she's not stupid, and she's playing relatively ABC, then flatting makes alot more sense because you know she's not going to make your life suck too frequently by putting you in awful post-flop positions. The more straight up she's playing, the easier it's going to be to flat and play OOP against her with all the perks that Jason mentioned in his post. Like he said as well, if we don't have that type of read, and don't really have a feel for what she's bringing to us, flatting is better because she's likely not getting in 35bb regardless of positions with much that AJ is all that far ahead of.