jvt-master
9 points
Fold to 3-bet... Dominated by all AcXc hands that are in button range (yes you could make argument that villain should be 3-betting a large amount of his suited aces, but at this player pool expect higher freq of suited aces here so we can't really narrow down his range to something such as AcJc with some % AcQc here). Ideally you are looking at button having something like 99 and BB having JJ or QQ here for you to play this hand the way you did.
An important thing to consider is that when BB 3-bets on this board what bluffs could he possibly have here. Part of the EV of jamming in spots is capitalizing on fold equity and since BB has jammed you have no FE here (yes jamming can get button to fold and take pot heads up, but ask yourself is that really what you are trying to accomplish?)
Also based on above note about not expecting button to 3-bet enough suited aces, then button can have all trips+ hands which you are in terrible shape against - similarly BB has all overpairs and AQcc. See your equity postflop below (if you have reads on villain such as spew heavy on paired boards feel free to re-run equity here with wider ranges):
board: 8c 3c 3h
Hand Equity Wins Ties
AcQc, JJ+45.82% 231,789 3,135 --> (BB)
A3s, 88-JJ, Ac2c-AcJc 32.92% 166,137 3,081 --> (Button)
KcTc 21.26% 108,231 63 --> (You)
July 26, 2018 | 1:43 p.m.
Button for sure can be spew raising here. Player pool at lower stakes has higher than normal tendency of raising small bet sizings which they interpret as weakness (regardless of SB presence in hand). If you have stats/history w/ player (even if anon - intra session high VPIP and PFR, C-bet stats) can help you navigate these situations exploitatively.
Now when SB jams we are way too high in range to be folding. We lose to 6 combos of 33 and 77 (I'm assuming SB doesn't flat K7s, K3s, 37s). W/ small sizing I'm assuming you are going w/ a full range c-bet strategy here so while we can fold a lot to SB raise, we rarely show up w/ better hands (AA, 77, and 33 if you have that in your UTG preflop range). So if you have 33 here then you can probably fold some combos of AK here. W/ KK you have to ask yourself whether you are c-betting this board since we block a large portion of continuing range for villains.
4-bet jamming seems reckless. Our hand doesn't need much protection and should only get called by better. Calling seems best here.
June 28, 2018 | 5:45 a.m.
I would also call and not be super happy about it. I'd rather have AhQh here to unblock flop BDFDs, but hard for you to have too many better hands here going w/ 50% c-bet sizing. AK, 77, 88 which amounts to 12 combos. All 78s combos have been counterfeited here.
W/o knowing villain stats 56s, 9Ts, JT w/ BDFD, 89cc and a ton of other worse hands where villain could just be spazzing. Hard for villain to have many Kx here. KThh - KQhh are about it though expect most of these hands to fold to 1/2 pot c-bet. I guess K8s and K7s could be in there but have to assume villain would at least x/r these hands on turn some portion of the time so that lessens the absolute combos of these FH he gets to the river. Same w/ 77 and 88.
Overall while it sucks to block clubs seems to high in range to fold and villain has high potential for being unbalanced here.
June 26, 2018 | 4:16 a.m.
I missed the line on button being wide and passive so my notes were more targeted to an unknown opponent.
Risva10 I never expect fish to fold KT or KQ on river. The x/r bluff note was more of a thought against an unknown w/ no reads (and no population reads and requires us getting to the river with this hand and deeper stacks).
June 23, 2018 | 8:33 p.m.
A couple of thoughts:
1) I like x-ing flop - cold calling range on button against UTG should be tight and when villain flats your 3-bet even narrower
2) Turn x seems good - against 1/3 pot bet I'm probably folding w/o villain reads. Hand has so little potential to improve. Turn seems to be a decision point in the hand if you call here you are going to have to call most rivers. Also JJ blocks most of his high equity bluffing hands of JTs and AJs. You are essentially hoping villain is turning 77- TT into a bluff or using ATs as a bluff. Again this is readless.
3) The river could be more interesting if villain was deeper. Having JJ we block JT heavily and could theoretically turn this into a x/r bluff, however at current stack size this is just a fold. We now also lose to 99 as well.
Hope this was helpful.
June 23, 2018 | 1:04 a.m.
A couple of thoughts:
1) Regarding your statement on x/c hands I would consider you examine your strategy. If your x/c range is all Kx and middle pairs you will be severely capped on a lot of turn cards (diamond, Ace, etc.) and have a tough time against competent opponents. If this strategy has proven successful at the current stakes, it will prove to be a very exploitable leak if/when you move up stakes.
2) If you are using this sizing on this board texture against calling range of CO player, I prefer x/r this hand. We block A high flush draw hands and our hand needs less protection than AK no diamond, I could even be convinced that we could x/c this hand having the A of diamonds. Other x/r hands include KK with no FD. To protect x/c range throw in KK with the K of diamonds. Don't worry about overplaying the hand - focus more on playing your range and what lines you take with certain parts of your range.
3) Regarding the above point I believe (though I may be wrong and if so would appreciate input) we should have a range advantage on this board and can employ a high frequency c-bet strategy for a small sizing (~1/4 - 1/3 pot). Villain likely has suited and (some off suit) broadways, pocket pairs, and middling SCs a good portion of the time and very infrequently will have top pair here (yes KQ and maybe some other suited K broadway hands that didnt elect to 3-bet but we block K x hands here).
Hope this was helpful.
June 23, 2018 | 12:52 a.m.
I like this line with a few thoughts:
1) 1/4- 1/3 pot as suggested by Hawks on flop looks like a better idea.
2) Personally I like overbetting this turn as I expect to have the equity edge on this turn card against BB flop flat range - would be interested if PIO would agree
3) JQ blocks JT, QT, KQ, KJ and unblocks all his missed GSSD - like the river bet
June 13, 2018 | 2:30 a.m.
I don't claim to be an expert on this but I will give it a shot:
22 with a club has more equity than 22 no club against entire button flop raising range which should intuitively make sense as we improve our equity against his FD hands as we remove a club from the deck. I don't know specifically what % of villains flop raising range contains clubs but I assume a non-negligible amount as we gain ~1.1% equity by having a club in our hand.
Hopefully this was helpful.
June 13, 2018 | 2:18 a.m.
Couple of thoughts:
1) At NL10 I don't think turning 99 with a spade into a bluff is a great idea (especially if you were targeting villain in this spot after 100 hands only which is small sample). While you may puke with AK/AQ here villain may always snap/ unless you have seen this player fold to pressure with a well defined range of TPGK/TPTK on rivers.
2) I don't know what your 3-bet flat strategy here is from UTG, but I assume that 99 is towards the bottom of your range. So the question becomes would you take this exact line with flushes (e.g. KQss)/FH/quads here? I would expect that the population would frequently x/r with set combos on flop along with some FDs. So if you get here with this exact line with too little value hands, we run the risk of becoming unblanced and villain can start calling super wide. Furthermore what are you doing with TT and JJ here? Would you rather turn JJ or TT with a spade into a bluff here or 99 with a spade (does villain ever have QJss, KJss, QTss, etc.). If you are super confident villain is capped at TP here then it becomes irrelevant as none of these combos block TP (except maybe JJ if villain ever has AJ as a 3-bet) and using spades for a balancing factor is a good way of preventing overbluffing as long as you are balanced.
3) You can do a minimum defense frequency here of 24 AK, AQ combos here against your jam to see how often villain should be calling with only TP type hands. While it is a good exercise, as mentioned above I don't think taking this line at NL10 is a great idea.
June 5, 2018 | 8:33 p.m.
Depends on how elastic/inelastic you expect villain to be to sizing here with above hands you mentioned. If I only get value from those hands I'd lean towards sizing up (150-170 range) to target those holdings, but would be bet folding if raised (assuming villain only calls with the above hands and villain has 0 bluffs based on villain read). Turn sizing looks fine: lot of pair+gs, FD hands in villain's range
May 20, 2018 | 11:23 p.m.
Hi RIO,
I played this hand a few days ago and was looking for feedback at any and all points during the hand:
Full Ring Game:
UTG: 230 BB
Button: 175 BB
BB (Hero): 300BB
Preflop:
UTG opens to 6 BB and folds around to Button who calls and I look down at QcQh and we 3 bet to 25BB. Both UTG and Button call.
UTG player was opening wide range in this game (but if his range here was narrower than I expected and more in line with FR UTG ranges I could get behind a flat) and button's range was fixed in my mind based on his past table tendencies to 88-JJ, AK, and AQ
Flop:
A48 rainbow
Hero checks, UTG leads for 30 BB, Button folds and hero calls
I wasn't sure about what line to take here, whether c-betting 1/3 pot (or another sizing) or checking especially given the 3-way pot although I expect button to be x/folding very often and can give up when called by button.
When UTG leads, especially to that sizing, I didn't really like folding, but maybe it was the best option considering I will have plenty of Ax and all top set combos here. Player was competent in my mind and like me likely interpreted button as x/f here so often.
Turn:
2 (offsuit bringing rainbow board)
Hero checks, UTG checks
River:
10d
Hero checks, and villain overbet shoves (~175BB), hero folds
I guess at this point it should be a clear fold, especially since we expected button's range to block 99 and/or JJ that he could be turning into a bluff especially since my range here looks very capped (though I will have all my AA combos here, and some AK and AQ hands - but with these hands it would be good to get a sense of the community's thoughts on bet sizing and frequency on the flop). If anyone has thoughts on any other way of thinking about the river options outside of x/f would be interested to hear what and why.
Thanks a bunch everyone and any feedback would be greatly appeciated.
May 1, 2018 | 2:55 a.m.
Check flop 100% of time here. Your SB 3-bet range in a multiway pot should be value oriented here (especially w/ initial raise coming from UTG and your comment about not knowing if TT are in your 3-bet range here) and thus on this particular board SB vs Button you should be at a significant range disadvantage here.
Feb. 12, 2018 | 7:37 p.m.
Smaller sizing if employed correctly usually is done with a wider range by player c-betting. If we allow opponent to c-bet whole range and we defend only with x/c it causes a problem, namely we allow villain to capitalize on fold-equity while also realizing his equity with his weakest hands on the turn (similar to how in blinds we want to be defending with aggressive raising strategy depending on opener's range, sizing, etc.). Furthermore I don't know if you will have a leading range on certain turn cards and therefore villain can check back turn to realize his equity.
I think part of your concern here is that you believe your range is capped at overpairs and connectors with draws here. Against 1/3 pot sizing the MDF here is 75% so we need to be defending a good amount here. Can probably x/r backdoor clubs with backdoor SD and other higher equity bluffs here if you have any of those combos then all JJ, QQ for protection and non spade KK+ for value along with 2 pair 67s if you do have those combos - KK+ w/ spades I do prefer as call though.
Dec. 17, 2017 | 6:34 p.m.
As Sb vs 3-bettor here despite your hand history with villain it is probably likely villain will have a flatting range of some sort as they are in IP. If villain is 4-betting too much in this spot having a small 5-bet strategy here seems good (say 50 or so) and reduces the SPR down to ~1.2. However if we assume villain is balanced and only employs 4-bet or fold strategy here then I like your line.
On flop villain goes for 1/3 pot - against this sizing we should have an aggressive x/r strategy, the first question I would ask is what does your calling 4-bet range look like here SB vs BTN OOP? AsAx obviously doesn't need as much protection as non spade aces so can play as a call, and x/r AA w/o A of spades. Depending on how narrow your range is here it may be hard to come up with enough/any c/r bluffs here. You mention 89ss as a potential c/r bluff. Is that in your range here as you are OOP?
Dec. 16, 2017 | 8:34 p.m.
Hi Iain,
33:30 Reviewing the JTs hand - on the J68dd board you mention that against an opponent with a tight preflop calling range and the nature in which the board texture can change that our value hands become devalued. My question here is which hands would you be leading on this board (I am assuming you will be going with a bigger sizing and polarized range here) - would you be betting your overpairs with diamonds, AdJx, and your set and 2 pair combos or would you go even narrower. Also what hands would go into your c-bet bluffing range (9Ts, Qts, 79s seems like too few combos). Finally would you use your overpairs you aren't c-betting as x/r here, or do you think opponent flop bet here vs our check is so narrow that they play better as a call. Sorry for the long question.
28:11 on AQJ9 board, what does your c/r bluff range include here on the turn. I'm assuming Kxcc and some Tx hands but was curious as to which hands you'd be inclined to bluff here and what your c/r value range would look like(I feel we have the equity advantage here but opponent has nut advantage)
Great video Thanks!
Some thoughts:
1) In a multiway pot how frequently are you c-betting this flop? Specifically what combos are you leading with here? When you know how you are splitting your range on this texture you will have a better idea of where in your range you stand on dynamic turn and rivers.
2) In the game type above I like your line with specific hand against this particular opponent. You can probably even size a little larger on flop as MP2 stats seem to indicate an opponent who is inelastic to sizing and if he comes along can help bring in worse hands behind him.
3) Even though it is a very small sample, a player with a VPIP of 57.7% and high aggression percentage indicates a wider than normal range here and thus we can probably widen our calling range assuming this isn't the top of your range in this spot - see 1) above to find out if you have JTs, Ad8d, 56s, 78dd, etc. Depending on how many of these hands you have here you can find how many combos you need to be defending here and where 88 with 8d stands. Personally, unless this player has a high FCB percentage indicating a tighter continuing range than his VPIP indicates, I would be calling here. Having the 8 of diamonds helps (block top pair with BDFDs) and player can definitely be going crazy with 6x and a pair (and one diamond).
Hope this helps!
Sept. 12, 2018 | 11:02 p.m.