I'm not as strong in therory as many of you other guys, but I find this hand interesting. I can see the points that A on the river changes ranges, but I kinda agree with phil long's points that Ben's range is to bluffheavy, and he might be having a problem with his check/call range on river.
I just made a quick kombo counting. They are surely not acurrente, as I dont know Ben's range for flat/3b PF, and ranges for x/y on flop. Bluffs=33 kombos: 16xKQ, 16x56, 1x7d8d. Value=34 kombos: Ad7d-Ad5d/Ad2d=4x, 9x sets, 16xAK, 2xJ9s, 3x43s.
If the openshove has to be a cool move, I think alot of it comes down to 56 being the only bluff hand he has got in his range and his value range is depending on that he does not bet 43/sets/AK/J9s on the flop for moving towards a 2/3 value range and a 1/3 bluff range on river.
And that leads me back to the trouble with Ben's check/call range on the river.
I might be wrong about my points and lacking a level of understanding, but hey, if you never put yourself out there and try to get better, you will never get better.
Looking forward to seeing Ben and Phil discuss the subject :).
I'm not as strong in therory as many of you other guys, but I find this hand interesting. I can see the points that A on the river changes ranges, but I kinda agree with phil long's points that Ben's range is to bluffheavy, and he might be having a problem with his check/call range on river.
I just made a quick kombo counting. They are surely not acurrente, as I dont know Ben's range for flat/3b PF, and ranges for x/y on flop. Bluffs=33 kombos: 16xKQ, 16x56, 1x7d8d. Value=34 kombos: Ad7d-Ad5d/Ad2d=4x, 9x sets, 16xAK, 2xJ9s, 3x43s.
If the openshove has to be a cool move, I think alot of it comes down to 56 being the only bluff hand he has got in his range and his value range is depending on that he does not bet 43/sets/AK/J9s on the flop for moving towards a 2/3 value range and a 1/3 bluff range on river.
And that leads me back to the trouble with Ben's check/call range on the river.
I might be wrong about my points and lacking a level of understanding, but hey, if you never put yourself out there and try to get better, you will never get better.
Looking forward to seeing Ben and Phil discuss the subject :).
Oct. 21, 2013 | 10:14 p.m.