jayhood187

T9 is openended T8 is a double gutter that either makes the nuts or is dominated only by KT. 89 is a gutter witch if it hits is dominated by any pair + K that calls turn

The raises with bottom pairs are fairly low freq bvb with bottom pair. I looked at a couple just now and Vs a high freq cbet on most boards raising a bottom pair without bdfd gets more folds/folds out hands with better equity so more protection. But a lot of times the bp with bdfd raised more often as well. Also blocking the suited top pair combos made us raise more.

As for the gutters, they always raise more because they have more ways to win a huge pot, get cucked less once they improve and can call a 3bet vs a reasonable sizing as long as the gutter isn't like utterly dominated.

I think you are talking about a situation where you are at a range disadvantage with a wide range/have very few valuebets and a crapton of air, sometimes you just checkdown some of your worst air cause it blocks folding range/complete giveups and you have other hands with close to 0 showdown with better blockers to flushes, straights, weak top pair/middle pair or the better underpairs. If I remember correctly I think I've seen a few of these come up in Saulo vids.

Like here bvb after we stab flop and check back turn our river range is so screwed/lacking high ev valuebets on this runout, we checkdown most of our airballs and mostly use A high and bottom pair for our bluffs

Yea solver propably bluffs most hands that don't beat a 4. Some A highs probly check blocking folds from backdoor floats.

Same situation with rangebet

I think whenever the fear starts consuming him, Ben looks down at his trusty pt4 default hud and finds comfort.

Nice video as usual. Im wondering if the KJ without a fd blocker for river bluffs when flush completes is less of a bet on the turn when we are deeper, since we have more implied odds with fds and want more hands that can go for large river shoves? Also when we are deeper bb will have more slowplayed aces as well? Or does the tourney ranges that dictate a huge amt of overfolding force bb to still raise as aggressively vs a high frequency bet even when deeper? Either way I think the explanation of why we bet our turned pairs was really good and the frequencies on the turn/river are really dependant on ranges and stack depth. If we fail to recognize these sots we will be way more inbalanced than if we don't even consider the play.

Nice. I think this ''variance'' is the hardest part for many.

Nice video. Reinforced a lot of good stuff. I always thought cfp was a scam, but this video helped me realize theres probably cfps that can be very beneficial.

In one of the comments you stated that you cbet 1/3 on almost every board with range. Have you done any work in seeing what boards you could rangebet for a larger sizing like 40-50%? And thought about whether or not this induces a more optimal or suboptimal response from the opposition?

Hi thx for the video. I think these are the hardest spots to play oop when somebody seems they could be rangebetting, but you aren't entirely sure if you should raise AQ and AJ type hands and go for stacks and whether or not all pp can even be called profitably. After your raise it's really hard to know if they have overfolded and how aggressive/passive your turn strategy should be. This makes it even more important to study this equilibrium because to me raising puts the oop player in way more uncomfartable spots

Oop weare only leveraging the nutted combos. Ip we are leveraging the nutted combos as well as our other combos simultaneously leveraging position. With ranges being equal ip bets 50ish for a size that puts pressure to oop range.

With a nuts advantage and equal amt of strong draws oop our top range just wants to put pressure and pile money in before a turn that equalizes the playing field. Ip we can do this more effectively also with marginal hands.

The ev of our draws is higher than when oop so betting smaller and more merged is already putting oop strongest hands/draws closer toward indifference.

So basically we aren't worried about the board changing as much before we get money in because this change given equal ranges is sort of good for us and with the modified ranges it's less bad.

Also, Oop it is more important to protect your checking range because when you check flop there is a chance u will have to protect vs 3 barrells instead of 2. You also don't have the option to bet flop and turn and then just check river or bet flop check turn and face a single bet.

the range looks fairly similar because our pp need highcard hands with playability in order to maintain their ev. According to simple postflop solutions we never slowplay aces in these 2 spots. instread of flatting 37% we are only flatting 20-22%. We should be mucking AQo ATs and a bit of KTs which we would call vs button. QJs is only called 35ish % vs button and none vs bb. But saulo is flatting aces at a high frequency which allows him to flat wider and face less pressure as well as be forced to call less marginal hands when he does face it. That said I agree the range he flats should be tighter vs bb and at least lead to lower frequencies of the worst performing handds like ATs and QJs even when he is protected by aces.

Really love all your solver based stuff, but particularily these play vs solution ones cause it's fun to try ponder get the frequencies right and hear your reasoning right after. Really reaffirms concepts nicely or corrects stubborn habits :)

Also the answers you write to comments are top notch. good stuff

nice video man. Glad to see gto+ getting some love too :)

Nice video. I liked how u noted how we like to bet marginal hands when we have lots of hands we want to bet. Lot of times people talk about checking strong to protect weaker hands, but I rarely hear people talk about taking weaker made hands and slotting them in the betting range with strong hands to protect them. I notice this a lot that optimally when we have a lot of really good hands we don't want to have a checking range that contains too many middling hands facing a polarized 2 street game and we check back more stuff with playability on different runouts and bad top pair stuff and bet a lot of our middling stuff with the strong stuff. I guess in this spot though oop range contains so much Ax and we are only betting 50% so we are falling into the more tradiotional realm of checking our middling stuff and using strong hands to protect.

How long does this take to go away?

Thx for the video. Really have enjoyed all your videos so far because of the nice play and action. Love the way in all your videos you hop in and out of pio/hrc and cover the spots in the ''appropriate'' amount of time going over fast the simple spots and taking a bit more on the iffy ones.

Around 32min where u say your opponent in the hj may not shove aces and kings. How important is it to have a flatting range at this stack depth? I know the ev of our usual calling hands goes down at lower spr so we propably want to flat less and be protected by having aces. But then again when we flat we can shove flop vs a cbet more comfortably for protection. I guess I want to know at what stack depth do we just forget the playability of suited hands completely and just go for protection/denial with our lower pairs/good high cards and immediate value with our best pairs? Or is position always going to allow us to flat and play according to what cards come out?

Also if this was later in the tournament where icm is a factor do u think this would make us flat more of our range or less? I assume with icm we would be defending less because we are risking more than chips and he has to risk more as well when 3betting us, but just wondering as far as the hands we do defend.

You are literally a SICKO coach here on rio. I feel like any format you choose you explain so well. When you talk about pio spots you just hit all the points so clean and fast. Honestly when people talk about sims that I have studied before I feel like they are leaving stuff out or diluting it or focusing attention incorrectly. With you it just feels like any type of video you make you deliver the knowledge unadulterated! Obviously this video wasn't anything crazy because there wasn't that many spots just talking about part1 and your other videos in general.

Blocks turn folds, blocks river folds from floats and can't valuebet made pairs profitably because outpipped by the highcard hands that do float. Basically no river that is great for our hands ev

I don't quite understand why whenever the question about multiple sizings adding or not adding ev is addressed the comparisons are made with 3 sizes for both players vs 1 size for both players. i would assume that in these situations the differences in ev as bb/100 would almost always be fairly similar as a whole with the only significant differences happening in river nodes where one of the players is very polar but doesn't have an option to bet huge. Even these cases will be somewhat equal between both players given most starting ranges so aggregated over all the flops you still won't see much of a difference.

I've always wanted to see the differences in ev for 3size villain vs 1 size hero and such 3vs2 2 vs 1 etc. would be fun to compare a hero with 3 sizings on each street vs a perfectly balanced gto donk who half pots or pots his entire betting range on all streets lol.

Definitely good points tho. i think the best way of noticing the efficiency part is loading up some sims into gto trainer or gto+ and playing vs the solutions and noticing how many actual ev loss mistakes you make on trees with more nodes vs less. Also even though you might not any actual ev mistakes the amount of mizing errors you make will definitely ensure your bluffing and valuebetting frequencies will be more and more out of whack/exploitable the more complex your strategy gets

Hey Krzysztof. Just wanted to let you know that in your sim you had chosen: with 2 bets left get the money in smoothly. So your turn and river sizings were ignored and switched to a geometric sizing, This didn't really matter because it made the turn sizing close to half pot which was one of the sizings you chose for the turn anyway.

Torilla tavaltaan :)
Is PLO still soft/worth getting into?

I don't think it really matters how long the videos are in general. Seems like you are able to make them complete either way. Of course whenever one likes the content or it is something refreshing you want it to be longer. Maybe a 10-15min longer average would be nice when applied to content creators or content that isn't live play live play.

Are my eyes deceiving me or were you in complete denial on the 2nd to last QJo hand? looked to me that it was a fold on both the flop and turn lol. Anyway great video and analysis more plz :)

Math and GTO wise small bets are correct. Betting into 2 players is almost like betting 2 streets (mdf wise) so theoretically putting in 2 pot size bets with a tptk even on a favorable flop 3way pot you are severely value cutting yourself if people defend correctly, but since you are up against 2 ranges you want to get value and protection with good top pairs and not give too many free cards/still have somewhat of a betting range. So small sizings become theoretically correct. (I base this off what sauce has said a few times and some videos on zenithpoker on multiway pots which basically said the same and also showed some mutlultiway mdf graphs from some poker math book)

In practice at least lowstakes pokerstars and I would assume even these games we see on bodog reg tables in this video people aren't really responding correctly multiway. Often players, especially recs just look at their hand and play as if they are in a heads up pot. The player sandwhiched 3 way needs to fold a crapload but often just calls pair + backdoor hand and midpairs that should be a muck. Then the last player to act now should fold again a shitton being up against 2 strong ranges and requiring very low mdf, but they come along for the ride because lol pot odds.

So basically as an exploit I would think just betting slightly larger with sets and a few nutted draws in an unbalanced, but somewhat not face up way could be a decent exploit unless you are playing against strong opposition. The thing is tho even if you bet small with these nutted hands vs recs thay might start raising top pair hands on drawy bords and just piling in money trying to achieve protection vs your draws so very player dependent what one should do.

Really only guaranteed mistake you could make imo is if you cbet AK on this board 100% freq and check fold it on the turn unimproved at 100% freq.Also if you are checking aces and some other strong hands here OTT with the intention to check shove (rarely) or check call down you can definitely afford to call AK at a decent clip even if you are cbetting it at a high freq. If you are cbetting AK at a low freq on the flop and have some turn slowplays you can most likely call all AK and make a profit since you will improve to the best hand some times and villain will give up his bluffs a good chunk if he knows you are protected.

I think shoving over the stabb will not perform well because the equity you deny is not enough to compensate for the fact that a lot of people will not fold any of the hands they are stabbing for **value'' and u might even get hero called by something as silly as 22 by people thinking you wouldn't play an overpair like this once the 9 pairs amd will just assume you are bluffing. Trust me I've done this play with flushdraws and AK and gotten called by 22 and even hands like AJ people just putting you on a flushdraw :)

I feel like at 10nl in a 4bet pot between 2 ''solid regs'' slowplaying to induce bluffs will not yield the highest ev. I would probably range bet the flop for 18-25 % and check turn with top set 100% and aces at some frequency. betting small and shoving the turn is more likely to get called then if you check back this flop and suddenly jam later. Since a lot of 10nl regs are fairly nitty it will be easier to just stick the money in yourself then hope that they start bluffing AQs or 99-TT hoping you fold QQ. If the villain is extra nitty you can just jam pre and auto stack his nitty range

So the last action hero makes is either fold ( 0 EV ) or call (4bet size - his 3bet size)
so in this case hero 3bets to 11 he gets 4bet to 22 he has to call 11bb to see the flop. So anything over 11bb EV in the sim is a profitable call.

Yes agreed, whenever something makes a player uncomfortable the solution is to just get better so that spot doesn't phase you anymore. But I guess my point is the break even hands will always feel dirty and I don't blame you for folding AQo in your hh. The 4b sizing you faced is different and if I see correctly the sim is rake free making the AQo negative vs the sizing you faced in game. Either way not really advocating :)

I do stand by the fact that in order to actually know what one should do with certain hands in gto land, you would need the summation of your ranges ev vs a continuous function of all the different ranges of the pool instead of looking at the ev of individual hands vs a summation of the 4b ranges of the pool. Similar to the way if you run a 3 bet pot subset mp vs utg with certain ranges, lower and mid pocket pairs will be positive by a large margin yet monker mixes some of them and some it folds almost completely.

Thx for the video. Definitely a spot I myself need to work on. These are those lovely spots where if you play your marginal hand OOP perfect you win 0 dollars, but get to make a stand so that your opponent doesn't run you over with 4bets and barrells in 4bet pots. And because of pot odds even if you make it to the river in one piece you lose like 70-80% of the time you call. All this strain and negative psychological feedback getting stacked with middling hands in large pots coupled with the uncertainty of not knowing if the opponent actually has all these bluffs or high freq of AQo in his range :(

I think the hardest part about studying this is that the 4b ranges vary so much and the actual way of estimating the profitability of calling different hands in an anonymous pool especially would have to be a summation of your range vs all the different villain ranges over all the flops.

Honestly I feel like the uncertainty you have as OOP in anonymous adds so much complexity to your play that some of these marginal hands might not realize no matter how well you learn the equilibrium post flop play